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Published Date: 06 April 2009
BUDGET supermarket chain Lidl has launched plans to build Scotland's cheapest new private homes.
Buyers would be offered homes starting at as little as £64,000 under plans drawn up by the German supermarket chain and housebuilder Taylor Wimpey's new "no frills" housing brand "G2".

They will also have their deposits and legal fees paid for them as part of the scheme to help buyers take their first step on to the property market during the current difficulties.

The companies have already submitted a joint planning application and are now awaiting consent to allow them to push ahead with their development of 48 homes in Prestonpans, East Lothian.

The one-bed flats at £64,000 would be £32,600 less than the average one-bed flat in East Lothian, while the two-bed flats, at around £70,000 each, would be nearly £50,000 less than the average for the area – and £95,000 less than a two-bed flat in Edinburgh.

Lidl, which owns the development land next to its Prestonpans High Street store, intends to sell the land to Taylor Wimpey's G2 brand once planning consent is won.

A spokeswoman for Taylor Wimpey said: "G2 is Taylor Wimpey's brand of affordable, low-cost homes designed specifically for first-time buyers."

Its G2 homes consist of studio-type flats where the living area, bedroom and kitchen areas are within the same space.

The company is able to reduce prices by using similar materials for all its developments, meaning it can achieve bulk buying discounts. It also picks sites that are cheaper to obtain and develop on.

Property experts believe the Prestonpans development will be Scotland's cheapest new-build flats.

The Prestonpans scheme has been hit by delays after objections against the demolition of one of the buildings on the site. However, a spokesman for East Lothian Council confirmed Historic Scotland had now ruled that the building did not need to be listed.

David Marshall, a business analyst at the ESPC, said: "Since the credit crunch started, the number of new-builds has fallen by around 80 per cent at a time when the number of households is increasing, so developments like this are very welcome."

'STUDIO-STYLE' LIVING

WHAT you will get for your money in a Lidl/G2 Prestonpans home:

One-bed studio flats will be available from £63,995, with two-bed flats starting at £69,995.
Flats provide "studio-style" living, with living and kitchen areas within one open space.
One-bed flats contain 350 square feet of living space, while two-bed flats contain 400sq ft.
All G2 developments use "repetitive" construction methods – which allows the company to buy materials in bulk, cutting down on the price.
New flats will be just yards from the amenities on Prestonpans High Street.
The Prestonpans site will offer views of the high street and sea and Cockenzie Power Station.
Only first-time buyers are allowed to buy the properties – buy-to-let investors are barred.

The full article contains 516 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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1

eric,

lothian 06/04/2009 12:17:34
All you want from a store and a little bit mooooooore.
2

Duncan in Edinburgh,

06/04/2009 12:17:59
"The company is able to reduce prices by using similar materials for all its developments, meaning it can achieve bulk buying discounts."

Aye, right. Like all housebuilders don't do that in all these identikit housing schemes?

No, the company is "able" to reduce prices by reducing the massive profit they used to make, by cutting corners, and by doing deals with councils to avoid paying any knock-on costs for transport or amenities. The houses will be the same (rubbish) standard they were before.
3

alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 06/04/2009 12:18:59
Sounds good but,if the houses are anything like their products you could not give them away.
4

David Harrington,

Edinburgh 06/04/2009 12:29:38
I am sure that the views of Cockenzie Power Station will make the development much more attractive to prospective purchasers...
5

Sarcasm,

06/04/2009 12:34:58
£64K to live in depressed in Pans.

I'd want more than that.
6

East at Easter,

Edinburgh 06/04/2009 12:41:45
who'd want to live in the Pans'? Horrible town, a very depressing place.
7

AnnemarieG,

06/04/2009 12:45:49
The company is able to reduce prices because it pays its employees only the minimum wage and treats them abominably!
8

Ecto,

06/04/2009 12:53:22
#6 agreed, nasty place and I am sure you can already buy a house there for about this price in any case. #7 if you are dim witted and don't apply yourself at school you end up working for a place like this and earning the NMW, why under any left wing communist illusion can you justify them being paid more?
9

SeanW,

Edinburgh 06/04/2009 12:56:22
£183 per sq. ft. There are new build flats in Edinburgh at that price.

You get what you pay for... or sometimes not.
10

Foo,

06/04/2009 12:58:18
#6 - Pan's People?
11

elayne,

06/04/2009 12:58:25
dont fancy prestonpans much,but if this scheme spreads to other places it could prove popular
12

nSyratzcGlaw,

06/04/2009 12:58:40
Its the ultimate insult really - You Live in a Lidl Hoose.
13

Jocknroll,

Dunfermline 06/04/2009 13:02:37
This isn't news, Barratt have been doing it for years!
14

Sarcasm,

06/04/2009 13:11:20
Tesco value house anyone.
63,995 club points.
15

Sarcasm,

06/04/2009 13:13:52
Only first-time buyers are allowed to buy the properties – buy-toilet investors are encouraged.
16

Foo,

06/04/2009 13:15:52
Lidl sell brilliant firworks. That's all I know on the subject of Lidl.
17

sahsa,

06/04/2009 13:26:43
lets hope it is only first time buyers that will buy these. They should not be let out in the future either.
18

hibbywul,

06/04/2009 13:31:18
Only one good thing about the Pans, that's the bus back to town.
19

panner,

prestonpans 06/04/2009 13:31:54
who'd want to live in the pans? currently around 8000 people. with hundreds of extra homes being built along the top road. now were getting lidl's demolishing the old fowlers headquarters building, the last building in prestonpans that harks back to its once vibrant industry.
And to top it all of we get insulted by a few Edinburgh snobs, poking fun at people that have been neglected and abused by the system and big business ever since the industrial decline, not to mention the closure of the pits. i might also add that prestonpans has the largest outdoor art project currently taking place in Britain, a series of 30 plus murals depicting its rich history.
one more point other than the obvious one that the buildings "no fuss" policy is so strained and cynical,insulting to even a gnats intelligance, lidl champion of the people? - in the original application to build the lidl supermarket the "retention of the coeval building" (the old brewery hq they want to knock down) was included as a major factor. 5 years later and down it comes...the question is, will East Lothian Council let them get away with it?
20

Foo,

06/04/2009 13:34:41
#19 - Don't take it personally mate, they're just jealous cause they all live in Wester Hailes *shudder*

Pan's is a barry place full of sea side goodness and colourful personalities.
21

nSyratzcGlaw,

06/04/2009 13:45:06
I like the craggy beach at the pans (or at cockenzie) and the coast beyond the caravan site is great.

I woudlnt like to live there though, but good luck to you if you do.
22

elayne,

06/04/2009 13:55:30
#20,,,wester hailes,,,,lol
prestonpans is nice enough,but tends to be dumping ground for those with "problems"which im sure p*sses off the locals and gives it a reputation it doesnt deserve
23

prestoungrange,

Prestonpans 06/04/2009 14:02:30
Well done # 19! Actually the Pans is a great place to live these days but the community is fighting Lidl's plans to build anything on the site they have in mind next to their store - which is incidentally a great store.

The problem as pointed out is that what they want to knock down is actually the town's last surviving art deco auld HQ of the famous Fowler's Brewery ... and .. wait for it .. the consent that Lidl got to build the store was based on retaining the auld HQ as an integral element of the design!

It get's better too. A petition of 10% of the adult population of EH32 to exercise Community Right to Buy has been lodged and is currently being obfuscated by the Ministers spokespersons but no way are we giving up.

If you're intrigued please go to the SAVE THE AULD FOWLER'S BUILDING website @

http://www.prestoungrange.org/arts-festival/html/news/show_news.asp?newsid=2138

P.S. The campaign to save the building has the 100% support of the Community Council and all Councillors at Haddington have the details. One confidently expects that the coalition in Haddington of SNP/ LibDems will interpret/ recall/ apply their election pledges to take note of the local community's wishes seriously and reject the planning application.

The Auld Fowler's HQ must be restored and brought back into use as one of the surviving 'treasures' of the great era of industrial prosperity in The Pans.

The brewery itself has been demolished and stands in the background of the present Auld HQ pictured at:

http://www.prestoungrange.org/arts-festival/html/news/show_news.asp?newsid=2524

Yours aye ...
for the Prestoungrange Arts Festival





24

tartangladbach,

edinburgh 06/04/2009 14:07:01
14 minutes by train to the centre of edinburgh.
10 minutes from golden beach to walk on.
crime almost non exsistant(unless your anne moffat).
5 minutes from the countryside.
90 minutes from the metro centre.
20 minutes to north berwick.
plenty of quality shopping, bars & restaurants all within 25 minutes.
fort kinaird only 5 minutes by car.
yeah if you've never thought of living out in the pans, just keep your perception that it's some sort of housing scheme!
plus no tram works!
only downside is your politically represented by moffat & gray.
25

nSyratzcGlaw,

06/04/2009 14:10:08
23

Good luck mate.
26

Glenda,

blah 06/04/2009 14:32:53
#7 AnnemarieG

Check your facts before spouting your rubbish.

Lidl pays up to £8.20 per hour to its Sales Assistants.

My young nephew (aged 19) has worked there part time for less than 6 months and he's already on £7.60 per hour - way more than any of the other supermarket chains pay.

Indeed its a lot more than the basic £6.00 that most agencies pay clerical and administration staff throughout Edinburgh - regardless of age and experience.

People (especially delusional snobs who prefer to pay through the neck for things because it boosts their low self-esteem), need to come off their high horses and try shopping at Lidl sometime. It's great!
27

Duncan in Edinburgh,

06/04/2009 14:36:55
#26 You realise that your young nephew will have had to sign away his rights under various worker protection legislation to get that rate of pay? Lidl do this to all of their staff.

People can indeed choose to shop (or work) solely on the basis of price (or pay), but there are good reasons why Lidl finds it cost-effective to buy off their social responsibilities with increased wages, and your nephew will likely discover that one day.
28

Duncan in Edinburgh,

06/04/2009 14:44:22
#26

You may also find this interesting reading:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2007/mar/14/businesscomment.supermarkets
29

Glenda,

blah 06/04/2009 15:31:53
#28
Interesting. Thanks for that web link. I'll cetainly ask my nephew if he's been asked to sign anything - though I suspect not, since he's only working part-time whilst a student.

So far he's been very happy in his Lidl job since he also has practically no food bills - since they give away all soon-to-be-out-of-date food free at the end of the day.
30

B Real,

Edinburgh 06/04/2009 15:32:41
If their homes are anything like their supermarkets the toilet cistern will be next to the headboard of the bed and the electricity meter will be in the kitchen sink.
31

Duncan in Edinburgh,

06/04/2009 16:17:00
#29 Fair point that part-time staff may not be subject to quite the same treatment, but Lidl has a dreadful reputation for staff treatment in general. They seem to make the same sort of contract with their staff as they do with their customers - take the money and ask no questions.
32

Florentine_Pogen,

06/04/2009 16:22:47
The guid fowk o' the Pans shouldn't hold their breath in the hope that East Lothian Planning Dept. will "do the right thing." Messrs. Collins and Stalker will see to that.
33

me150,

06/04/2009 16:47:40
Why don't they just build to rent them out and if Lidl can do this then why can't councils?
34

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 06/04/2009 16:48:32
I won't hear a word against Lidl. I bought one of their "credit crunch crustaceans" - a whole lobster - for £3.99 and it was extremely acceptable.
35

The real dracula,

06/04/2009 17:03:50
I dont fancy the layout of the flats living room , kitchen and bedroom all open plan , no ta. But I guess its not bad for some first time buyers.

I live in East Lothian and tho the pans isnt the fabbest place on the planet Id much rather live there than noisy , overcrowded , busy , sometimes violent , no parking Edinburgh !!!!!!
36

ccc,

06/04/2009 17:40:44
Not been to the Pans much myself.

However £64k for a self confessed cheap, 'budget built' studio flat ?

Not exactly a bargain in my opinion. 5-6 years ago you could get a one bed (Not studio) flat 15 minutes walk from the centre of Edinburgh AND for £20k less !!

Just another property scam to persuade people they are getting a 'bargain' - when clearly they are not.

At least the price is moving in the right direction though.
37

Pond Hall,

06/04/2009 17:50:55
of course what the sales brochure for the

New Houses are the top Pans, doesn't mention is
the fact that the developers have had to pump thousands of tons of "materials" into the ground due to the mine workings.

At the Lidl site , You may find that your back garden has disappeared into a Big Hole, due to the mine works.

In fact given the number of mine holes that are appearing around the Old Brewery HQ, you may find it disappearing over night.
38

Thesquire,

Aldi 06/04/2009 18:24:49
Taylor Wimpey intend using Lidl workers on the construction site to be used for labour, Lidl are looking at establishing the site canteen facilities for the workers on site.

the reason why Lidl food is so cheap as its non-branded, where Marketing is circa 60% of these products.

The whole contract debate is pretty lame- I in my position as Area manager for a similar downmarket super-market chain have to sign an opt-out clause
39

is it me?,

Edinburgh 06/04/2009 18:54:39
Why do newspapers always have to use the worn out phrase, "an artist's impression", for these pictures ?

It's so 19th century.
40

Douglas,

Bathgate 06/04/2009 19:55:59
#10 Foo: Ya dancer! :o)
41

specialk1963,

bo'ness 06/04/2009 19:58:00
still 2 much 4 the pans lol
42

MacKenzie,

Edinburgh 06/04/2009 20:01:42
#23 Good Luck with the campaign - I well remember Fowlers Wee Heavies - pure liquid brain damage!

On the wee flats - I don't think you'd be allowed to keep chickens in something as small as that.

Note that the difference in size between a one bedroom flat and a two bedroom flat is a cozy 50 sq feet. When I went to school that meant a room of 10 ft x 5 ft. I'd bet the accommodation at Saughton is roomier than that.
43

Snails dont like curry and chips,

Edinburgh 06/04/2009 20:07:22
What are they made of - cardboard boxes?
44

is it me?,

Edinburgh 06/04/2009 20:39:17
Here's the truth.
When I got married I'd have been first in the queue for a place like this.
As it was, we had to go cap-in-hand to a 'factor'.

45

blackley,

Edinburgh 06/04/2009 21:09:01
Good old Lidl! They sell everything! The only thing is I always feel they can't wait to get rid of me. The stuff whizzes through the checkout faster than you can bag it. There must be a reason for this I reckon.
46

Decimus,

Edinburgh 08/04/2009 12:24:53
Can't see the article for some reason, but cheap system built housing? We've been here before - the 1960's system built blocks of flats were a painful and expensive lesson in the cost of putting cheapness before traditional technological competence. Prestonpans is an exposed marine location and coastal winters make mince of buildings designed for sheltered inland sites. I hope they know what they're doing..

 

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