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Published Date: 02 March 2009
SCOTLAND'S tourist industry is facing "one of its toughest challenges" after a study revealed hotel occupancy rates have slumped further than elsewhere in the UK.
The number of occupied rooms in Scotland's hotels last year fell by 4.1 per cent, with revenues also down further than the rest of the UK.

The news comes at the start of Scottish Tourism Week in a year when the Scottish Government is relying on r
evenue boosted by the Homecoming celebrations to prop up the country's faltering economy.

Last week, a report showed the number of people visiting some of Scotland's most popular tourist attractions had slumped. And there was further bad news for the sector yesterday, as it emerged several councils, including Edinburgh, were planning to divert money from VisitScotland to market themselves.

The hotels report, compiled by accountants PKF, found occupancy rates north of the Border last year were down 4.1 per cent on 2007, compared with a 2.7 per cent fall in England and 2.5 per cent in Wales.

Scottish hotels also saw their income per room declining fastest, by 2.3 per cent, against 2.1 per cent in England and 1.7 per cent in Wales. However, income rates remained higher in Scotland than in the south.

Hotel chiefs described the report as "very concerning", while tourism officials admitted 2008 had been "challenging".

However, experts said 2009's Year of Homecoming – a series of more than 300 events running from Burns' Night to St Andrew's Day – gave Scotland a "unique advantage" over other countries to boost visitor numbers during the recession.

Tourism employs one in every 11 people in the Scottish workforce and contributes £4.2 billion to the economy. Scottish hotels and guest houses are used by nearly one-third of tourists from the UK and almost one-quarter of those from overseas.

PKF, whose survey covered mainly three- and four-star chain hotels across the country, said revenue per room last year fell the most in Edinburgh among Scotland's three largest cities, at 4.2 per cent compared with a 2 per cent drop in Glasgow. Aberdeen recorded a 3.4 per cent increase, which was attributed to an increase in business trips related to the oil and gas industry.

However, Aberdeen also saw the largest reduction in hotel occupancy, dropping 4.6 per cent, with Glasgow down by 4.3 per cent and Edinburgh slipping 4.2 per cent.

PKF said the immediate outlook was still grim, with the hospitality industry "facing one of its toughest challenges for some time".

Alastair Rae, a partner at PKF specialising in the hospitality and leisure sector, said: "The decline in both occupancy and rooms yield in Scotland has increased in pace toward the year end and looks likely to continue into 2009. Reductions in both business and leisure expenditure are now having a serious impact upon the sector.

"Aberdeen's oil- and gas-based economy has had an active and successful year in comparison to Edinburgh's financial services-based community."

VisitScotland has yet to publish full-year figures for overall hotel occupancy, but it said the largest monthly falls had been of 4 per cent in July and September. However, there was also a 4 per cent rise in January last year.

Debbie Taylor, who chairs the British Hospitality Association's Scotland committee, which represents 3,000 businesses, said: "The PKF report is very concerning and clearly demonstrates the extent of the impact the economic downturn had on Scotland's hospitality industry last year.

"It is more important now than ever to focus on the fundamentals of providing an exceptional service and value for money. It is also important we capitalise on new business opportunities such as the domestic leisure market, since many more people are likely to holiday closer to home this year due to the fluctuating exchange rates."

Dr Joe Goldblatt, a tourism expert at Queen Margaret University in Edinburgh, said the Year of Homecoming could provide a vital catalyst to boost Scotland's tourism fortunes.

He said: "It could have a very positive domino effect if the Scottish diaspora who visit tell their friends back home Scotland is good value for money, as word of mouth is the best advertising. The event has given Scotland a unique and cost-effective advantage."

Dr Goldblatt said the strength of the euro against the pound could also increase visitors from the Continent, but this was a recent phenomenon whose effects had yet to be seen.

Several hotel chains are still expanding in Scotland, with Apex due to open a 180-bedroom outlet at Waterloo Place in Edinburgh, and EasyHotel lodging a planning application last week for a hotel at Cambridge Street in Glasgow.

A spokeswoman for VisitScotland said: "2008 was a challenging year for Scottish tourism, with high fuel costs, unfavourable exchange rates and the overall economic uncertainty all playing a part.

"Already this year, some businesses are telling us that they feel more confident and are seeing increasing numbers of domestic and European visitors, due to the value of the pound against the euro. Homecoming Scotland 2009 also gives us a great draw for visitors this year."

A Scottish Government spokesman said: "These figures confirm that like other sectors of the economy, tourism is not immune from the effects of the global economic downturn."

George Kerevan - Foreign high spenders shun UK as global recession bites – so will Brits fill the gap?

LAST summer, if you were visiting Florida, a pound would buy you $2. Today, it fetches around a quarter less. With UK interest rates at their lowest level since 1694, the pound has also reached near parity with the euro – making buying a cup of coffee at a European airport a painful experience.

But if travelling Brits get poorer as the pound falls in value, foreign visitors to Britain should get a lot more for their money. So why aren't they flocking to Scotland in droves?

In fact, the number of foreign tourists coming to the UK in 2008 dropped by 2 per cent compared with the year before, despite the cheaper pound. And there was a catastrophic 13 per cent fall in those coming from North America. These are the high spenders that big Scottish hotels rely on.

The reason for the drop: sterling may be low, but the global recession has robbed foreign visitors of the wherewithal to holiday in the UK. America lost 600,000 jobs in January alone.

The fall in foreign tourists is actually accelerating. Overall, numbers are down 12 per cent, comparing the last three months of 2008 with the corresponding period in 2007. North American visitors dropped by 27 per cent and EU numbers are down 10 per cent.

One hope is that the lost foreign visitors will be replaced by stay-at-home Brits. Christopher Rodrigues, the chairman of VisitBritain, argues that the weak pound could result in up to five million additional domestic holiday breaks being taken this year.

However, this still remains wishful thinking. True, Britons are travelling abroad less frequently – down 1 per cent last year – but they are kicking the foreign travel habit less quickly than our neighbours. The number of British trips to North America in 2008 was the same as in 2007, while holidays to the rest of the world (apart from Europe) actually rose.

This should not surprise us. All the research into why people take holidays puts the search for novelty and a desire to escape everyday reality at the top of the list. Next comes getting to know your partner better (otherwise known as having time for sex). Staying in the UK for a holiday might not grab Britons as a way of escaping gloomy headlines.

The Association of British Travel Agents reports that some domestic breaks are performing well. But British hotels need not get their hopes up: instead of booking mini-breaks in boutique hotels, the humble self-catering holiday is coming back, with Butlins and the Youth Hostels Association reporting increased business.

Prove cash is helping us, capital warns VisitScotland

EDINBURGH'S tourist managers have sparked a rift with VisitScotland by placing strict conditions on the money they give to the tourist agency, it emerged yesterday.

Council leaders have decided that they will only give money to VisitScotland if the agency proves it is actually generating revenue for the Scottish capital. Councillors are expected to ratify the change next week.

The city has set aside £625,000 in its budget this year for VisitScotland. The money goes to the national tourism body for the joint service it offers for all parts of Scotland.

But there has been increasing disquiet in Edinburgh – from businesses as well as from inside the council – over the way VisitScotland has represented the city abroad. Some councillors and officials now believe they are not getting value for money from the agency.

Councillor Tom Buchanan, the city's economic development leader, said yesterday that the council would now only give money to VisitScotland on the basis of clear evidence that the money was generating tourists for the city.

He denied reports that as much as £500,000 could be cut from the council's VisitScotland budget or that Edinburgh was to break free from VisitScotland and "go it alone". He said: "We will still be buying services from VisitScotland, but it will be evidence-based."

And he added: "I am not going to put a figure on what we are going to pay because it is impossible to say at this point. But if we want to work with VisitScotland, they have to prove the money we give them directly benefits the capital."

It is understood that a number of other councils are watching the Edinburgh example with interest and may adopt the same approach if they decide that they, too, are not getting value for money from the national tourist agency.

There were unconfirmed reports yesterday that Glasgow and Shetland were also preparing to place strict conditions on their VisitScotland contributions and they might also require clear evidence of success before allocating money to the agency. VisitScotland gets about 10 per cent of its £70 million annual budget from councils and commercial bodies.

A spokesperson for VisitScotland said any cuts in funding by councils would result in cuts in services. She said: "We understand the funding pressures that local authorities are under and are working with them in a flexible way, so that we provide the services that will work best for their area. However, ultimately cuts in funding from local authorities will result in cuts in our services.

"Like all sectors, Scottish tourism is facing challenges due to the current economic situation and it is important that we work together and that there is no duplication of effort, particularly when it comes to public spending."

The spokesperson added: "Our primary concern is encouraging visitors to Scotland, and we would much rather focus on that than continual debates about structures, which at the end of the day will not bring a single additional visitor to Scotland."

How bad is it? View from the front desk

SCOTTISH hotels are counting on their loyal regulars to pull them through tough economic times while calling for more promotion of the nation to attract tourists.

Mabel Gozo, front desk supervisor at the four-star Marks Hotel in Glasgow, said: "Our occupancy was down in January but it has picked up. People are still attracted to Glasgow, but more needs to be done."

Over at Hilton Glasgow (4 stars), Calum Ross, general manager for central Scotland, said there could be improvement for the industry by the summer.

He said: "There is nothing to indicate that our hotels are in any way worse off than those south of the Border. In fact, we are anticipating strong demand as we move toward the summer months with the more favourable exchange rate – and with Scotland's appeal as a key leisure destination."

Yvonne Thomson, manager at Ailsa Craig Hotel, a three-star establishment in Edinburgh, said: "It's very quiet. But I get a lot of return guests and that's what helps me. School groups also help out. People just don't have the money to go stay in hotels now. But I think I will see my way through the recession."

Donald MacLeod, front of house manager at Dakota Forth Bridge Hotel in Edinburgh (4 stars) said they are managing 70-80 per cent occupancy during the week.

He said: "A lot of our revenue comes from our grill, which has a knock-on affect for our rooms – people come for the grill and stay for the room. February closed off a lot better than we expected. "

The PFK survey said Aberdeen had falling occupancy rates, but higher room yield, and the city's hotels said it was down to repeat customers.

Grant Yule, assistant manager at the Atholl Hotel in Aberdeen (4 stars) said: "At the moment, Aberdeen is wearing the recession quite well, but some hotels will suffer. Everyone will have to step up their game to compete."

Kerry Thomson, manager at The Palm Court Hotel in Aberdeen (4 stars) added: "We were basically full, Monday to Thursday, every single week last year and it's continued this year. Most people come back to us. Hopefully any recession will bypass us thanks to those regulars."

Tristan Stewart-Robertson





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1

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 02/03/2009 00:14:34


Booze laws!

SNP Booze Tax £50.00 for a bottle of beer!

Cigarettes, nowhere to be seen!

Tram Works!

Hotels at over £250 an night for B&B!

Don't Smoke here, Don't smoke there!

Don't Park here, Don't Park there!

And soo it goes on and on and on!

Is it of anywonder, no-one wants to come to Scotland anymore?

And the SNP, have not helped it being any better, with their (in my view) mad policy makings!


2

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 02/03/2009 00:18:41


***Welcome to Scotland*****, right enough!!

3

Brian Hill,

02/03/2009 00:31:02
Scotland doesn't make enough of its assets, for example in Edinburgh, one of the finest churches in Scotland, St Mary's Cathedral in Palmerston Place isn't lit up, not even at Christmas. (not the fault of the Cathedral i might add).

The magnificent Scott Monument is barely lit. Other fine buildings throughout the capital are also unlit or poorly lit, as is the Forth Bridge. Much of that will be put down to lack of cash, ridiculous really in an energy rich country like Scotland.

But what we could do more easily is have our major buildings awash in colourful Saltires to give our cities and towns a fresh, colourful, Scottish feel to them.

If Jenners, the Bank of Scotland and today RBS in St Andrews Square flew huge Saltires instead of Union Jacks to complement the great job done by the Balmoral and the Scotsman Hotel on the Bridges at the East End and St John's Church at the West End we might give tourists another thing to to remember us by or come for when they see photographs or videos of our country.

Competition is so fierce worldwide that we must use every eye catching trick in the book to bring people to our beautiful country.

Why don't you lead the way Scotsman and ask all major buildings to fly the Saltire and that of course would include the castle, which is first and foremost a tourist attraction.

It's never too soon to start the campaign Scotsman. What do you say?
4

Douglas,

Bathgate 02/03/2009 00:32:36
I've said it before: per person, per night. What's that about?

A pint of Belhaven Best and a Diet Coke please.
That'll be £7.00 please.
Tell you what, put it back in the barrel my friend.
5

Brian Hill,

02/03/2009 00:33:07
Sorry I couldn't include any negativity in post 3 like Mr Linskaill does in all his posts, I'm afraid I've never quite learned how to be negative.
6

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 02/03/2009 00:35:55
Has anyone added the swings and roundabouts formula to the equation?

Do you expect growth every year?
7

Statsman,

Edinburgh 02/03/2009 00:43:33
You can never get a smoking room any more. It's not worth the hassle. Best to holiday abroad.
8

tam-the-bam,

Canada 02/03/2009 00:47:30
Scotland has Hotels ?

c'mon you guys live in caves n things....you have no television or phones so how can you have Hotels

and who ever came up with the "home coming" Idea during the Worst recession likely to be seen this side of the great depression ?......find the twit....do what needs to be done.......public flogging or wut ever
9

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 02/03/2009 00:48:57


Quite Honestly, comming to Scotland for a Holiday, must be like,,'self abuse'!

10

subrosa,

02/03/2009 00:53:30
City hotels and many 4 star country ones just charge too much. My worse experience was trying to book a one night stay at Gleneagles last year as I had friends staying there who were part of a corporate group. The figure quoted to me for the room was 5 times the rate my friends had paid and their figure even included dinner and a massage.

Mr Lederer, the heid bummer of visitscotland admits he's not interested in individuals wishing to stay at his hotel, he's interested in corporate business.

Also he's the man who thinks we should get rid of our tartan, shortbread and whisky image as he considers they are not part of the modern world.

Funnily enough he never suggests what we replace them with or what our 'new' culture would be called.
11

Theologist,

Auckland 02/03/2009 00:55:30
#3 Brian Hill... It's not just Scotland and I don't think it's due to the lack of flags. In NZ tourism from the UK & US is down 6.5%, but 'local' markets like Oz & Japan are holding up. You'll just have to fake a welcoming smile to your biggest local market.
12

tam-the-bam,

Canada 02/03/2009 01:01:31
#3 Brian Hill

if it were that simple as to change a flag or 2,
I like your simple Honesty though

at this moment in time tourists in every part of the world are increasingly staying home because no matter how interesting Scotland may seem it's a better Idea to stay put and not spend money they may not have......its a GLOBAL downturn.....GLOBAL.....ENTIRE WORLD......PLANET EARTH IS IN A FINANCIAL FRIKEN MELTDOWN!!!!!!!!!SALTIRES AND KILTS UNLESS THEYRE LAIDEN WITH GOLD WONT CUT IT....jeez
13

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 02/03/2009 01:13:55

Brian Hill ~3,


"Competition is so fierce worldwide that we must use every eye catching trick in the book to bring people to our beautiful country"

Yep we got that here in Edinburgh!, It is called the,..

...'Bomb Site'!

Road Works everywhere!

Holes in the Roads everywhere!

Our residents, getting knocked down by traffic everywhere! (because of the roadworks)

"eye catching and beautiful", Right Enough!!




14

tam-the-bam,

Canada 02/03/2009 01:18:53
Yes # 9

I returned for a xmas holiday in Dec 07 after a 20 yr absence.....its a cespit of immigrants and rampant crime.....never mind the fact that it's incredibley OVERCROWDED....who let this happen ? some government body had to ok such an influx of people...its nuts

house reposessions and unemployment at record levels...how did it happen ?

all I can say is......I was so glad to get back on the plane to Canada....escape that hell hole if you can
15

Marga,

Edinburgh 02/03/2009 01:28:27
Subrosa - another example of lack of joined-up thinking is the BAA-run Edinburgh airport.

Here is a part of the reply from BAA Edinburgh Airport Ltd to concern I expressed at the cancellation of direct flights by both Flyglobespan and Clickair from Edinburgh and Glasgow to Barcelona in the winter, particularly this winter, with the pound low and shopping weekends being run from Spain to Britain.

"We would disagree with your assertion that the lack of a year round service to Barcelona is contributing to a deterioration to the social and economic fabric of Edinburgh. Whilst year round services are important, we would doubt the effect is as detrimental as you have descibed, particularly when Edinburgh is well served by services to established hub airports such as Heathrow, Paris CDG and Frankfurt, all of which have good onward connections to Barcelona"

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think this is short-sighted, unambitious and complacent. Especially as it was their letting a second airline, Clickair, muscle in on a flight with only enough passengers for one operator that apparently caused fierce competition and then both operators to cancel, one going down to winter flights, the other just disappearing. Just like the bus wars.
16

viking nz,

new zealand 02/03/2009 03:55:58
Who in their right mind holidays in scotland for the weather , might be ok for us expats for a visit but living there as bob crampsey would say NO CHANCE , its getting like the bronx ? sorry it is .
17

The Kids Are Alright,

02/03/2009 05:09:18
It's not just Scotland.

I am staying in what used to be one the most populat hotels in London.

There are so few guests I thought I was on the set for a remake of a Jack Nicholson movie

The restaurant was closed on Sunday....

Hard to see how they can stay in business for long
18

lesvan,

Vancouver, BC 02/03/2009 05:37:30
I will be returning for my third visit in October, and meeting up with six friends from the U.S., and we're all looking forward to returning this Homecoming year. I find the B&Bs/guesthouses in Glasgow and other smaller towns very reasonable (all under £50 per night)--no way could one stay in Vancouver for that price. And the fact that more establishments are now non-smoking is even more welcoming to those of us from North America.
19

GrahamB,

Melbourne 02/03/2009 06:19:34
No question about it - to a large extent blame the smoking ban.
20

Brian M,

Edinburgh 02/03/2009 06:52:56
with several hotel chains still expanding in Scotland the number of available rooms has increased so the occupancy rate could still fall even with an increase in numbers of visitors.

21

Subbob,

Troon 02/03/2009 07:24:11
I live in Scotland. I have been taking weekend breaks in De Vere hotels in England, due to the fact that they are charging very low prices PER ROOM, all with breakfast and some with evening meal, at a fraction of what Scottish Hotels are charging. I would much rather visit our own hotels, but paying over £100 per person per night is ludicrous. Lower costs get people in! As quoted by #4, that's where they can make the money..
22

Brodric,

02/03/2009 07:48:28
Agree with subrosa re the problem of access in Scotland.

Some of the other comments are just damxed negative, especially Charles today. What is wrong with you bunch of whingers?

Scotland has a wide range of hotels, B/Bs, camp and caravan sites, to suit every pocket.

£7 for a coke and a beer? Where are you going Douglas? Here on the Shore, you can pay through the nose in a couple of joints, but you can also get a pint of belhaven and a coke for £4. Its horses for courses.

Scotland may not have the best of weather, but there are many places to go that needn't cost a fortune. Perhaps this will be an opportunity for all those who don't know enough Scottish history, geography and culture to find out a bit more about their own country.
23

eric,

02/03/2009 07:58:32
Glasgow cut most of its funding to visitscotland 5yr ago.And the article above forgets to mention one slight littlw detail,easy hotel dumped us to build it in Glasgows cambridge st.it was taking to long to much red tape through here.
24

Audrey Halliday,

02/03/2009 08:21:31
Dr Joe Goldblatt, a tourism expert at Queen Margaret University in Edinburgh, said the Year of Homecoming could provide a vital catalyst to boost Scotland's tourism fortunes.

He said: "It could have a very positive domino effect if the Scottish diaspora who visit tell their friends back home Scotland is good value for money, as word of mouth is the best advertising. The event has given Scotland a unique and cost-effective advantage."

Dr Goldblatt said the strength of the euro against the pound could also increase visitors from the Continent, but this was a recent phenomenon whose effects had yet to be seen.

So this is what an expert thinks, I notice there are no suggestions on what to do about it.

Last Monday a high level meeting was held at Gleneagles where the great and the good sat with a travel futurologist. Can anyone enlighten us as to what he said which was revolutionary or creative that the experts learned from?
25

Angoos,

Baku, Azerbaijan 02/03/2009 08:22:30
So it's all down to the recession and NOTHING to do with the fact that Scottish hoteliers charge 5 star prices for 2-3 star facilities ?
26

rodm,

Durham 02/03/2009 08:29:48
Visiting Edinburgh next week, second time this year,city centre hotel Half price with breakfast!Yahooo, despite the tram works Edinburgh is still a fantastic place for a short break, try talking up instead of down.
27

Tracy C,

Aberdeen 02/03/2009 08:32:35
Perhaps if hotels stopped fleecing the public they might attract more custom. I was quoted £160 a night to stay in Edinburgh during one of the 6 Nations weekends!!!
28

Brodric,

02/03/2009 08:37:02
29 rodm - you have hit the nail on the head. Scots are often so negative. Edinburgh is a fantastic place despite roadworks etc. This is part of the development of the city and does not detract from the things that attract people in the first place.

30 Tracy - you are just not trying hard enough to look for somewhere to stay. If you can't afford £160, find something else. There is plenty in Edinburgh at good prices, even in the city centre.
29

archie pellagow,

stonedyke 02/03/2009 08:40:33
apart from the fact that scotland is expensive ...for tourists and reidents alike,may i add,one main problem is that scotland just does not advertise itself enough,not even nearly.what seems to be forgotten about is that tourism as an industry is also therefore a business-big business,and businesses do have to advertise themselves otherwise you just don´t sell the goods...end of story
30

Stan Butler,

02/03/2009 08:42:23


'If Jenners, the Bank of Scotland and today RBS in St Andrews Square flew huge Saltires instead of Union Jacks to complement the great job done by the Balmoral and the Scotsman Hotel on the Bridges at the East End and St John's Church at the West End we might give tourists another thing to to remember us by or come for when they see photographs or videos of our country.'


What a wonderful insight into the cyber gnat mentality.

31

Calum Crubag,

02/03/2009 08:45:56
Have hotels tried reducing their prices?

Aye, and can they expect 'growth' every year. Isn't that one of the falacies of capitalism - bigger profits year on year?
32

lulach mac gille coemgain,

02/03/2009 08:48:47
I have a coupla caravans in my garden - I started letting them out late last year - they are going great guns - I'm thinking of letting the ports cabin and shed next! Keep the prices up hoteliers - or even better turn them into the much needed housing.
33

Observer, formerly resident,

02/03/2009 08:51:39
# 3 “Scotland doesn't make enough of its assets…”

You mention buildings. One could also mention the loss of so many railways giving access to so much fine scenery. (It wouldn’t have happened in Switzerland!)

Ballater. Strathmore. Crieff. Callander and Killin. The north east. The south west. The Fife coast. It goes on. The recent strategic transport review had little positive to say about rail re-openings, as if tourism were of no importance.

As a starter, let’s have Callander re-connected to Dunblane, with a view to eventual re-opening of the Glen Ogle route to Oban.

(See Scotsman article:
http://heritage.scotsman.com/historic-sites/The-axe-that-robbed-us.3477335.jp )

It’s a matter of political will. And, after all, it won’t cost a bank!
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feta man,

Edinburgh 02/03/2009 09:01:54
The sad truth is that we Scots aren't really all that good at tourism. We have a handful of world class hotels at the upper end of the bracket, and some really good B&Bs when the proprietors know their business, but a vast swathe of mediocrity in between. Service by Scots tends to be surly and offhand, and often incompetent because of lack of staff training. I wouldn't come to Scotland for a holiday and I live here!
36

Ewan Oosami,

02/03/2009 09:18:44
Scottish hotels and indeed all hotels deserve what they get, they are only good at one thing - ripping off the public. B&B is the only place I would stay and even they are pricing themselves out of the market now.
And they still expect tourists to come.
I'm just glad I live here and not have to come as a tourist
37

salmondella,

UK 02/03/2009 09:20:06
Scotland has much to offer the tourist, but as the posts above state - its expensive. The problem now is that this latest drive to purge our alchohol problem will also hit the tourist industry. Why should 20 year old German bikers, for example, continue to come over here in their droves ( as in the past) when they cannot buy a bottle of beer in the camp site shop or supermarket. The SNP must take their share of the blame for this through their reactionary policies.
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Mike Masterton,

London 02/03/2009 09:22:44
Personally I wouldn't go anywhere other than Scotland for a holiday,but there's more to Scotland than "Auld Reekie" Glenfinnan is a lovely place to relax by loch Shiel,then back tae Glesca,great pubs and fine brig's
which I love in particular the new sqinty.Great city.
I will say that some hotels are better than other's
you only get what you pay for.
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02/03/2009 09:35:00
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Stan Butler,

02/03/2009 09:37:21

#43 Mike Masterton

Yes, the squinty bridge is certainly an entertainment, and could be marketed as Glasgow's equivalent to Pisa's tower.
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james 1st,

hamiltonnz 02/03/2009 09:56:18
we have been back three times in the last ten years and stay in the holiday parks which provide reasonable value for money, scottish hotels are a stupid price, i cant understand how anyone bit the very rich could afford to stay in them. we will be back again in 2010
and this idiot at#14 ttam the bam i suspect he is just a bampot, we have enjoyed all of our holidays and met some real good people, however service generally in shops and so on is very slow and quite poor
42

sceptic,

livingston 02/03/2009 10:01:43
Load up the car, fortnight in French family run hotels, load up with cheap booze at the hypermarche(no need to produce a birth certificate) and fags if you smoke. All for less than a fortnight in a decent hotel in Edinburgh.
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Ewan Oosami,

02/03/2009 10:02:42
#43 and #47 You can stick your cityscapes the Highlands is the only place worth visiting, B&Bs are excellent and reasonable value, but the people who serve you are the friendliest you'll ever get (except perhaps some of the English run ones!), I live here and I even go on holiday here
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Lianachan,

Highlands 02/03/2009 10:09:11
#43 Good to see somebody venturing further north.

I'm told I'll be having to spend a week or so back in the western isles this summer, probably Lewis. Looking forward to it immensely. Most of the sites I'll be visiting are off the tourist trail, so they should be nice and quiet.
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Orbital,

02/03/2009 10:18:44
Im amazed by this.

Its a global recession, people look for cheapest alternatives, thats why camp sites and caravan parks are doing well right now.

Scotland has fantastic wildscapes. Apart from the sun, whats the big lure of places like Australia and New Zealand? I cant think of anything thay have which is better than ours.

Tam the Bam..everytime you post its to slate our country. Why do you bother coming onto a Scottish newspaper website?!
You are an idiot.
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Lianachan,

Highlands 02/03/2009 10:21:45
#49 I'm from the Highlands, and know the entire region very well. I do travel extensively across the region (and the islands) but have tended to stay with friends and family. I have found the hotels to be a touch on the pricey side, when I've used them.

It's a shame that so many people don't break out of the central belt and come a bit further. The scenery, food, history and craic are second to none.
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Boy Wonder,

02/03/2009 10:26:14
Am I being very cynical and overly suspicious to think that it's all part of a plot to stop us Scots for voting for Independence if we have no major banks or tourist industry???
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Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

02/03/2009 10:27:59
44...I see you are a connoiseur of female front bottoms..and that you are somewhat traumatised due to negative experiences with damsels from Scotland?...one could deduce that you have been trawling the docks and perhaps, having not paid your dues...been physically reprimanded by a big burly bloke...

Either that or you work for the Spanish tourist board..
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Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

02/03/2009 10:29:43
Could it be the crime?...the more physical presence of beggars in the street etc?

Oh and the fact the hotels are doing a bit of ROBBING themselves...pay per person per room...an absolute rip off.
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Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

02/03/2009 10:31:55
52...Your last line?..definitly work for the tourist board..

Right son...we're all coming over there,as suggested, to visit you now...better run doon tae the chemist and stock up on incontinence pads toute suite!..get the lager in the fridge...there's a good lad.
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Ewan Oosami,

02/03/2009 10:34:16
#44/52 you ARE a female front bottom , I wouldn't go to Spain if it was free,it's full of undesirables and not all of them Spanish. You can't beat the Highlands and this last year has seen the best of the UK weather too.
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im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 02/03/2009 10:36:37
this is the same all over the world,were in a right old slump,money is tight,and people want to hang onto what they have
even a round of golf can vary from £14 a day during the week-£100 and over for weekeends
http://golf.visitscotland.com/course_search/areas/se/
fuel prices,high cost of hotels ,i mean why does it cost £400 a night in some?,boy that must be some room service at that price
steaks?,at that price id want the whole herd on my plate,lets see how it is by the end of may,as were only just into march
#39 spain= full of bingo numpties,looking for fish-n-chips and mushy peas
eating spanish food is like asking dyno rod for a colonic clean out
getting the runs,you would be running faster than lord fawlkes at a bean feast
spain=pain in gut,wallet and all those cheesy songs that people with braindamage turned into hits
ie birdy song,viva espania pure mince
just like the sun froied spanish lazy good for nothing brain

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Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

02/03/2009 10:50:44
60...Awwwh come back...we have'nt finished with you...I'd only just started....
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im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 02/03/2009 10:51:12
and whilst you make your phone calls,and watch your mince of spanish tv,just remember scotsmen invented them
oh the moon,well the first man to walk on it,armstrong-family came from langholm in the scottish borders
so think on spanish creep,whithout scotland your backward country where macho men kill harmless bulls for sport
beso mis velludo escocés culo,español burro cabrón
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im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 02/03/2009 10:55:02
#53 i lived in aviemore for over a year,and what a difference it was to edinburgh,views and air quality were amazing
light quality as well as my photos came out sharper
only problem was skye,theres so many from kent retired there that the local accent wasnt heard much
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Morry,

Scotland 02/03/2009 11:19:14
Scottish born and bred, still here, did not emigrate, at a time when all my pals and a few others did.
Charles is right in his first post, to living under the regime of the Scottish Directorate, likened to "Dictatorship"

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Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

02/03/2009 11:25:53
65...Awwww ye came back tae play wae us laddie!...thats nice...noo git back behind yer desk, wax that moustache and work on yer grovellin tae the tourists....
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im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 02/03/2009 11:27:06
#65 my what things to call yourself lol
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Tarchin,

Lothian 02/03/2009 11:29:12
#39,44,52. The answer to your comments is plural and they bounce. I chose, on principle, not to visit Spain because they they turn the ritualistic slaughter of an innocent animal into a public spectacle.
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The Fat Jannie,

Edinburgh 02/03/2009 11:29:52
I suspect many of the critics posting here may never actually have stayed in a hotel in Scotland, or anywhere other than a cheap joint on the Costas. I stay in plenty hotels in Scotland, but since I cannot afford to pay 5-star hotel prices, I stay down market a bit, at a price I can afford. You can get very good quality 3 & 4 star accommodation at less than £65.00 pn for a double room on a B&B basis. I further suspect the whingers expect to pay the same for a drink in a proper hotel as they do in their dreary local pub or today's equivalent of a Wheeltappers & Shunters club. They should learn to treat themselves from time to time, or shut up and stay at home with their tin of supermarket lager. Sad gits!
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Kilted Iain,

STORRINGTON, West Sussex 02/03/2009 12:01:46
It is not the kilts and tartan image that drags our beloved Scotland down in the eyes of the tourists - they love all of that because it is unique and it is something of which we should all be proud. It is the whingers and moaners on forums like this who do all the damage ....... I have never met such a sad and depressing lot as I find here, and they should be thoroughly ashamed of the harm they do to the reputation of Scotland and the Scots.

I get back to Edinburgh and/or the Highlands as often as I can - several times a year - and find the small hotels and B&Bs not only fantastically welcoming, clean and comfortable, but also amazingly good value. In July I'll be in Edinburgh for The Gathering along with friends from Tasmania, Canada, the USA and Europe and we will have a really good time attending all the events (yes, we all have our 'Passports') and celebrating, not decrying, what Scotland does best.
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digiRobbo,

02/03/2009 12:03:57
Just back from a very pleasant weekend on Speyside in a 4 star hotel. Good food, nice room and 700 single malts in the bar to play with (if you can afford them!)
Totally agree with #69 - bang on.
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

02/03/2009 12:05:33
They’ll all be stayin in the new expanded Airport Bars n Restuarants - havin’ a ride on the tram - then goin’ home again ! Nae need for Hotels!
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Brian Hill,

02/03/2009 12:11:10

#38 Observer, former resident says:
# 3 “Scotland doesn't make enough of its assets…”

"You mention buildings. One could also mention the loss of so many railways giving access to so much fine scenery. (It wouldn’t have happened in Switzerland!)"

Yes you are absolutely right about the poor rail facilities through some of the most beautiful scenery in the world.

I also agree about prices and level of service, improved over the years but still a long way to go.

And clearly flags alone will not bring tourists flocking back but they do play major role in the image of a country and we have to make Scotland look so distinctive from the rest of the UK that it makes London visitors want to make the trip North.
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Jacqueline Hyde ,

On the shelf 02/03/2009 12:58:40
With the pound at its lowest rate for years and (perhaps) with the dubious benefit of the Homecoming promotion, I reckon we are looking forward to a bumper season.

Let's hope that we can build on it to generate repeat business in years to come. Unfortunately, VisitScotland is not blessed with initiative, vision or even commonsense and does very little these days to encourage those local or community projects which provide visitors with a warm welcome and an insight into our unique and wonderful culture. Bland international standards and events seem to be the keynote while our unique features should be kept hidden from visitors.

#63 I agree that there is an over-preponderance of Lowland and English accents throughout the Highlands and Islands but (and I am to blame as much as any) we natives are really not very good at blowing our own trumpets while many incomers arrive with great enthusiasm, fresh ideas and a willingness to work to deliver the goods.

The Nanny-State ambitions of Holyrood may, on the face of it, be something of a deterrent to some visitors but, in truth, most of our restrictive or nuisance legislation is endemic throughout the world now.

Let's get our visitors out into the countryside, make our stunning views and landscape more accessible, allow them to join in community events, help them to enjoy our malts and don't sneer at the "tartan tat" that so many of them appear to favour. We need to break out of the "city-break" mentality and concentrate on our fantastic great outdoors. We need to open gaps in plantations so that the views can be enjoyed. We need to train bar staff to be able to advise visitors about our whiskies. We need to provide far more publicity for our Highland Games and shinty matches.

Then, and only then, will Scotland become a place worth returning to year after year instead of being regarded as some weird Disney-esque destination with midges and ransom-style petrol prices.

Finally, there's certainly not
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Man On Corstorphine Omnibus,

Edinburgh 02/03/2009 12:59:07
"Dr Joe Goldblatt, a tourism expert at Queen Margaret University in Edinburgh, said the Year of Homecoming could provide a vital catalyst to boost Scotland's tourism fortunes."

If "Doctor" Goldblatt is such an expert on tourism why is he not running a tour company or a B&B business rather than sitting on a safe public sector job with index-linked pension and lecturing others about the industry?
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Jacqueline Hyde ,

On the shelf 02/03/2009 12:59:46
#75 continued

Finally, there's certainly not a lot wrong with our hospitality (in standard or in price) - as long as one avoids the large hotel chains - and, of course, there is such a lot to see and do throughout Scotland. It's very hard to find anything like the same quality for money anywhere else in the world or on the internet.

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Mcsnagpile,

02/03/2009 13:33:40
If the stock market keeps falling nobody will be going anywhere. There is no point in wasting money on promoting to an empty market. Time to batten down the hatches, freshen up, and look for new strategy's for the future.
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Ffion,

02/03/2009 15:12:34
not much wrong in Scotland apart from the food-not available after 2pm, the people, surly and unhelpful especially after 2pm, the weather-rotten summer, before & after 2pm. Scotland surely has a ready made market in the 50 million people who live south of the border- & won't be going abroad this year - are they being targetted, marketed, enticed to come here? If VisitScotland is blaming the bad exchange rate last year, what are they gonnae blame this year? It's got to be the worst ever.
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Tobytoo,

Southington U.S.A. 02/03/2009 15:56:25
#37
"Oh!you mean fish and chips twice". I think that it would have been much nicer if you had answered "yes please" regardless of the accent that the worker had.
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Florence,

Edinburgh 02/03/2009 16:21:58
8 TAM: Last Labour administration, I'm afraid, but not sure if one single MSP responsible. I've no doubt it was a collective decision.
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im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 02/03/2009 16:35:32
well we wouldnt ask for fish and french fries
its fish and chips,when entering the fish and pommes de fritters emporium,one does not put on airs and graces,just to partake of the excellent fayre on offer
naw mrs its just as #81 stated ,thats what we scots ask for and thats what we get
noo whaes fir a fish supper,couldja go a pdden
well im oaf Gaunfurra Daunur upra chippy
for mair scots humar go here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&v=GaLD3piIVz4&feature=related
piles of stanely baxter
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EK,

Edinburgh 02/03/2009 16:44:45
Castle of the Star - well done, you have described Scotland (and for that matter England well).
Apart from being very expensive, no one with any sense wants to come here to Scotland because:
1-The place is full of rude people
2-There are drunks urinating and vomiting in the street especially at night and ALWAYS on Fri and Sat nights
3-They behave like animals (screeching at all hours, having sex in the street, behaving like a pack of wild animals)
4-They are violent
5-The streets are full of broken glass, cigarette ends, food, chewing gum, litter, food wrappings. unbroken bottles
6-Buildings and walls ruined by grafitti
7-The police and council are uselss so public feels unsafe
8-Other countries have nicer people that are NOT animals and their streets are cleaner
9-They are not ripped off in other countries like they are here

Oh the list goes on and on...
No one will come here for a few odest hills and a couple of lakes.

Buck your ideas up Scotland.
You'r e a waste of space.
Peace. x
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EK,

Edinburgh 02/03/2009 16:48:22
Visit France, Spain, Germany, Switzerland, Greece, Turkey, USA, Scandinavia. Don't waste your money on Scotland. It's rubbish. Same goes for England. Till people learn to behave like decent people, stay away! Thanks.
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Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

02/03/2009 17:10:14
87...Ludicrous nonsense..these countries all have their own anti social problems you better believe it...are you a troll by the way?...you certainly sound like the plebian that calls itself "Castle of the star" wots that anyway the name of the hotel said plebians sweats and toils in?..Casa del something or another?
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EK,

Edin 02/03/2009 17:17:11
Scotland has some of the worst social problems anywhere in the "developed" world. No good burying your heads in the sand "mate", I have spoken to tourists here and say they will never come back - they were shocked at the behaviour of the local teenagers / youngsters and the filth everywhere. Plus they said it was very expensive. They said they would have rather holidayed elsewhere.
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EK,

Edin 02/03/2009 17:19:52
By the way I am a nice, friendly, helpful 44 year old man with a decent job and good education. I am honest and fair in everything I do. I just think you don't all realise what a dreadful society you /we have become here and you need to acknowledge that before anything can be done. Of course there are many decent people too but you only need a few bad ones to ruin everything.
Cheers for listening.
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Florence,

Edinburgh 02/03/2009 17:26:55
83 VINCENT: My point is merely to answer the gent's question. The present administration certainly is behind the project and a good thing too. I hope the Homecoming will be a great success, although I am concerned at the appearance of the city with all the tram works, especially Princes Street.
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EK,

Edin 02/03/2009 17:31:23
I chose to live in Edinburgh 14 years ago. It is indeed a spectacular city, and I acknowledge also that there are beautiful, spectacular parts of Scotland. But please please please also acknowledge that you have grave social problems in a lot of your country. I despair at how shocking the society has become. No one seems to care or even realise! The other night there was a drunken party opposite my flat with youths screaming and screeching under the effects of alcohol (and drugs, no doubt - I have come to recognise the smell of marijuana) and of course because they have not been taught to respect others - loud music, screaming bottles in the street jumping on cars - no respect for people who may be tired, ill, old with kids. I called the police they would not come out. And I live in a reasonable area of Edinburgh. People are threatened just walking the city Centre on an evening.
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Florence,

Edinburgh 02/03/2009 17:31:40
Re VisitScotland - a hopeless institution and Edinburgh Council are right to dump it.
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Kitti Kat,

Newtown Square 02/03/2009 18:31:17
Agree with #3 but there's also the cost of a room at a nice hotel. Edinburgh hotels have always been high but with the bad economy and a recession, paying some of the outrageouis rates in hotels is not at the top of the list of things to do. I know that everyone has to make money but some of the hotel rates are really high. And remember that for quite awhile, the dollar was at an all time low against the pound which didn't help to bring in the tourists. I was planning to return to Edinburgh this year but after checking the hotel rates ( I never visit in the summer --too hot) I don't think I can justify the price. Perhaps the hotels should do more to lure in visitors with the room rates.
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Weel Kent Jambo,

02/03/2009 19:04:32
#97 Edinburgh's problems are not caused by VisitScotland but are the result pure and simply of its own Cooncil and their fascination with trams. Homecoming year and the capital has its main thoroughfare closed, road works, blocked off roads, diversions, caging round holes in the ground, traffic cones and barriers, over-eager blue meanies and they expect visitors to like this?

As someone who lived in Edinburgh for 40 odd years and was proud of my home city I now try avoid it when I can (which fortunately is most of the time) and certainly would not recommend people to visit it. Word does get around.

So they're going to cut the money they give to VisitScotland to help pay for the trams? I wouldn't bet against it!
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The Fat Jannie,

Edinburgh 02/03/2009 20:10:28
The "Full Rack Rate" that a hotel may quote you on the phone (or even on their own website) is not the lowest rate they will sell a room for. Just like when you want to book a cheap flight, for a hotel room go to a booking agents site on-line(no names, but there are hundreds of them) and you will more often than not get a price that is a fraction of the rack rate. This is because most customers now book this way, and it is a competitive market. Only mugs don't check around for the best rates. At peak times like rugby weekends, Edinburgh Festival etc. the cheaper rates may be harder to latch onto, but hotels have to make some hay while the sun shines, like most businesses.
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Observer, formerly resident,

02/03/2009 23:12:02
Observer, formerly resident commented:

# 3 “Scotland doesn't make enough of its assets…”

You mention buildings. One could also mention the loss of so many railways giving access to so much fine scenery. (It wouldn’t have happened in Switzerland!)


Ballater. Strathmore. Crieff. Callander and Killin. The north east. The south west. The Fife coast. It goes on. The recent strategic transport review had little positive to say about rail re-openings, as if tourism were of no importance.

As a starter, let’s have Callander re-connected to Dunblane, with a view to eventual re-opening of the Glen Ogle route to Oban.

(See Scotsman article:
http://heritage.scotsman.com/historic-sites/The-axe-that-robbed-us.3477335.jp )

It’s a matter of political will. And, after all, it won’t cost a bank!

Observer adds:

RBS - £350,000 M

One "Dome": £800 M

Airdrie - Bathgate: £300 M
(admittedly not a prime tourist route!)

Electrification to Aberdeen (as once rejected): £ 57M!

Re-open to Callander: £50M?
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Florence,

Edinburgh 02/03/2009 23:41:34
102 WEEL KENT: I agree with you about the Council's inexplicable obsession with the trams but I'm not blaming VisitScotland for that. I am criticising their marketing strategy for Scotland in general which leaves a lot to be desired. They have huge resources and so you'd think they'd be able to come up with something of value. However, I suspect it is stuffed with the same or similar nonentities as its predecessor, the Scottish Tourist Board. Now that was some waste of time, I can tell you. I worked in the higher bracket of the hotel industry for most of my working life and I speak from experience.
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Florence,

Edinburgh 02/03/2009 23:49:22
100 MELANTHIOS: "There is nothing Scottish about the SNP". Eh? SCOTTISH National Party!
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Ex Pat in Washington DC,

US 03/03/2009 00:47:46
I completely agree with comments that say it's not the country, it's the citizens that are off putting. The only criticism I get from Americans who have taken the time and expense to travel around Scotland, is that they're a miserable, unhappy and depressing lot. So many other countries are suffering economically, but their countrymen actually welcome tourists with a smile on their face and act as though they are really happy to see visitors. Please I beg you, please take advantage of Scotland's increased visibility in the world.
Other comment: Americans in particular (who according to VisitScotland stats outspend every other tourist per head so we want and need them!) love to see that cities within the country actually demonstrate that they are located in Scotland. So totally agree Brian n.3, the more saltires, and lights on statues, the better. Who wants to be in a mall that looks as though it could be anywhere. Stop whining about being Scottish and not liking our brand. Good lord, we are the only nation in the world that complains about these brands.
Final point, while many Americans don't travel and carry passports, there are 119 MILLION, yes, 119 million "cultural travellers" who travel abroad a lot for vacations. All Scotland needs is more of a welcome to the ones that do actually come and display at least some sense of being proud and happy to be Scottish! So cheer up, stop moaning, and starting sounding proud of Scotland and proud of being Scottish,as tourists like to feel they are welcomed and have made the right decision coming to Scotland.
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SkeptikScot,

03/03/2009 01:14:50
Why has Scotland suffered a bigger slump than elsewhere in the UK? Did I miss that bit?
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A Jacobite in Canada,

Beaconsfield 05/03/2009 15:17:23
Never mind the prices, the smoking ban and the thugs! Quite frankly, prices are higher everywhere, not just in Scotland. Smoking Bans are fashion, so we have to live with it, as for the thugs, they are in every city acroos the World, so if you don't want to see foreign thugs, stay home and live with yours.

One thing that Scotland should adjust to is the time schedules. Almost everything you visit closes by 4 or 5 p.m. While daylight in Scotland during the summer is so great, attractions should stay open at least until 6pm.

By the way, I go to Scotland twice a year...not for work, but just for the pleasure. I will admit that if the price would go down, and if I could smoke in a pub or restaurant, I would be more than happy. But if I stay home in Canada, the prices are higher and I still can't smoke. Two years ago, we decided to have a Canadian vacation instead of going to Scotland. It was our last to be as it cost us 3,400$ more than going to Scotland, and we were only there for 3 weeks instead of 4 in Scotland.

It's all about where you go, and what you do.

 

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