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Published Date: 29 October 2009
FINANCE secretary John Swinney was forced on to the defensive yesterday as he had to respond to an unprecedented attack from Scotland's business community.
Mr Swinney insisted economic growth was still the primary goal of the Scottish Government, as he faced tough questioning from Holyrood's economy committee.

In The Scotsman yesterday, CBI Scotland director Iain McMillan claimed policies on minimum
pricing for alcohol, preventing private sector involvement in prisons and hospitals, cancelling the Glasgow airport rail link and "bullying" drinks giant Diageo over its plans to restructure all meant that the SNP was endangering investment.

He added that, after the SNP's attempts to woo business, its recent left-wing rhetoric in speeches by senior ministers, combined with its policies, meant the party was "losing the trust and support" of the private sector.

The attack was supported by David Watt, director of the Institute of directors in Scotland, and Liz Cameron, chief executive of the Scottish Chambers of Commerce, who also both highlighted the £74 million cut proposed in the enterprise budget.

Mr Swinney told them he had been forced to make some difficult decisions for next year's budget, which is the first since devolution to reduce in real terms.

He added that the Scottish Government had introduced pro-business policies, including scrapping and cutting small business rates, accelerating planning and bringing forward capital spending, as well as investing in skills.

But he admitted thathe was at odds with the business community, telling MSPs: "It looks like I am going to spend the whole day disagreeing with all the business organisations in Scotland, which is a strange position to be in, considering all the efforts I have made for them."

But political opponents claimed the attack by business leaders had exposed the SNP and that the business community had previously "been fooled".

Scottish Conservative leader Annabel Goldie said: "The SNP's anti-business chickens are coming home to roost. The unpalatable truth of the SNP as a political entity is now clear."

"Any pro-business policies from the Scottish Government are purely down to Conservative pressure in the Scottish Parliament, such as stopping tens of thousands of small businesses paying local tax."

And Liberal Democrat finance spokesman Jeremy Purvis, MSP, said businesses were right to be concerned about the SNP.

He said: "Let's take one of their flagship policies, the Scottish Futures Trust. This is a white elephant which has achieved nothing for Scotland.

"It is the Bermuda Triangle of Scottish politics: everything goes into it but nothing ever comes out. The CBI is absolutely right to call it a fiasco."





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  • Last Updated: 29 October 2009 12:12 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Scotland's economy
 
1

polls,

Scotland 28/10/2009 22:24:07
Swinney wasn't responding to yesterday's headline, he was answering questions put to him by the committee.

Please just report the facts, the readership will make their own minds up.
2

Group Captain Lionel Mandrake,

28/10/2009 22:33:15
"a strange position to be in, considering all the efforts I have made for them."

"Hapless" Swinney returns to form.

Why isn't he the Nat leader any more?
3

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 28/10/2009 22:41:25
2, Smee. Probably because he thinks you have to have a bombastic public speaking voice to be a leader.
4

DialMforMurdoX,

29/10/2009 00:09:21
CBI Scotland director Iain McMillan and member of the Calman Commission...


Liz Cameron, chief executive of the Scottish Chambers of Commerce. Former Lord Provost of Glasgow City Council and naturally a Labour councillor...

The attack was supported by David Watt, director of the Institute of directors in Scotland...where?

5

Tom R,

29/10/2009 00:20:20
Maddox.

Start reporting NEWS and not the witterings of yourself and other Labour Party members and fellow travellers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
6

Fifi la Bonbon,

29/10/2009 00:25:45
#4 - that Liz Cameron isn't that Liz Cameron, but the other Liz Cameron.

Easy mistake to make when you're in full cybernat-with-a-grievance mode.
7

Fifi la Bonbon,

29/10/2009 00:27:57
Was there ever a cybernat who wasn't nursing a grievance?
8

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29/10/2009 00:29:20
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Fifi la Bonbon,

29/10/2009 00:31:10
Mutter... biased unionist press.... mumble... that Maddox one out to get us.... aw the same.... London Liebore.... George Foulkes..... our day will come... free in 83.... just you wait.... sno fair!
10

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

29/10/2009 00:35:54
"In The Scotsman yesterday, CBI Scotland director Iain McMillan claimed policies on minimum
pricing for alcohol, preventing private sector involvement in prisons and hospitals, cancelling the Glasgow airport rail link and "bullying" drinks giant Diageo over its plans to restructure all meant that the SNP was endangering investment."

Jeez now Madass is reporting on his own article!

Selling cheap Whisky to the Indians, who were culturally ill equipped to handle perpetual drunkenness...was as reprehensible 150 years ago as selling cheap booze to neds and the socially immature and inadequate is today.

Nobody is preventing "private sector involvement in prisons and hospitals"...Only PFI/PPP which is theft.

Cancelling the Glasgow Airport Link is regrettable...but unfortunately Broon's Bust and the consequent need to tighten the public purse strings necessitates expenditure cuts...what we never had and what few of us would be ever likely to use, would seem a prudent economy under the circumstances.

Diageo is cutting 1000 jobs and is closing two Plants...their proposed net "investment" is overstated but beneficial to their profit margins...nothing else...If Diageo could sack another thousand workers and maintain their current profit levels, they would do so.
11

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 29/10/2009 00:38:57
Maddox is....

...boring.
12

Fifi la Bonbon,

29/10/2009 00:39:25
#11 - you should ask for your money back so you should.
13

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 29/10/2009 00:39:37
bla bla bla
SNP are...

14

Fifi la Bonbon,

29/10/2009 00:43:38
Actually, I think the cybernats should boycott the Scotsman. They obviously don't think much of it and it seems to annoy them. They should set up their own website - www.bigfatchiponourshoulder.com - and fulminate about how poor the reporting is of the nationalist party and how things will be different when we take power, just you wait, they'll be laughing on the other side of their faces then, you'll see, oh yes they will.
15

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

29/10/2009 00:55:37
#13 Fifi la Bonbon

I was never an advocate of nationalisation without compensation but in the case of PFI/PPP, I think I could be persuaded of it's merits.

How do you feel about ECT, Sensory Deprivation, annal probes and the like as effective tools for the de-programming and re-education of Anti-Scot Evangelicals?
16

Brianwci,

29/10/2009 01:10:05
All I can say is thank God we're not paying to read this guff.

It really is pitiful.
17

Edward,

29/10/2009 01:13:16
More anti SNP stuff from Labour's David Maddox
Just how many ways can you write the same garbage
What gives the game away, is the fat that David MAddox keeps quoting known pro Labour activists.
Supposedly a 'political' editor, but going by his track record, he only writes up pieces given to him by Labour.
I have yet to see and read a critical article attacking Labour and believe me there is plenty of scope
18

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 29/10/2009 01:28:19
The good thing is it's free. And I don't know if they make money by me clicking on the website but if they do, I don't buy anything.
19

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29/10/2009 01:34:09
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20

Jimbo2,

29/10/2009 01:55:54
Statements made by anti SNP unionists like McMillan hold no water. Scotland's small business community are grateful for the help received from the Scottish Government.

Successive Westminster Governments have presided over the demise of Scotland’s heavy industry. Small businesses are now the backbone of Scotland’s economy. The SNP Government at Holyrood recognise this fact, hence the reason they introduced the Small Business Bonus Scheme (SBBS) to assist Scotland's small businesses.

A survey carried out in Falkirk District shows that they have 1970 small businesses benefiting from the Small Business Bonus Scheme (SBBS). A breakdown of that figure shows that 1504 are in receipt of 100% business rates relief. A further 466 are in receipt of 25% or 50% relief under the Small Business Bonus Scheme.

According to the FSB, 13% of the aforementioned businesses would have failed without the help of the SBBS.

The Labour Party in Scotland strongly oppose the Small Business Bonus Scheme. If re-elected to power in Scotland they are committed to scrapping the scheme.
21

Fitba Krazy,

29/10/2009 03:03:28
Liz Cameron convenor of Glasgow Council's Art & Culture 1998 - 2003.

First elected as LABOUR member of Glasgow district council in 1992.

How coincidental.

My recording studios were destroyed by Glasgow Council in the 3 years from 1989 - 1992.

So much for the Art & Culture debacle inspired by Labour and covered up by Labour, eh Ms Cameron?
22

Fitba Krazy,

29/10/2009 03:13:10
15, Fifi La BonBon,

Conversely you could join the SNP and uncover the vast amount of lies and deceit that has been spouted by the self-servers of the Labour Party then you could actually do something about that big fat chip on the shoulder Labour have as regards Scots running their own businesses AND their own Country.
23

Baggy Troosers,

29/10/2009 03:30:42
#15

Actually ,i think Feefee should go to her bed earlier at night and give us all a rest from her nightly Piffle,
24

Fitba Krazy,

29/10/2009 03:32:02
The Social Engineering dept of Glasgow Council decided that Whiteinch was no place for a recording/rehearsal studio business.

Particularly one run by me.

So after saying that the premises were more suitable for a garage business, they proceeded to relet the premises as,,,,, wait for it,,,,,, a recording and rehearsal studio business.

Guess who had done all the work building and renovating?

Clue:- It wasn't Glasgow Council.
25

Fitba Krazy,

29/10/2009 03:50:37
Is that what they mean when they say politicians should not be involved in interfering in the private sector?

It seems to me that keeping the public and private sectors healthy and co-operative is most definitely not a Labour strong point.

They, in my experience, don't like people running businesses that start off doing something the council has initially nothing to do with but soon see the attraction, especially when it appears to be rather successful.

So they get involved in this private enterprise by deciding who gets grants, free buildings etc. and who has to pay through the nose for the privilege of keeping going.

Is that what is meant by interference in the private sector?

It appears to me that Labour are up to their ears in interfering in the private sector and, in my case, being involved in the usurpation of those who were instrumental in opening the door to musicians and bands who had trouble finding places to rehearse and record in the late 70s.

Labour:- Always willing to "help"
26

Fitba Krazy,

29/10/2009 03:53:07

themselves.
27

Anna nexr door,

29/10/2009 03:56:59
11, spot on.
28

karin Mac,

29/10/2009 06:40:34
if the following statement reported above was true then it wouldnt say a lot for the business community would it?

But political opponents claimed the attack by business leaders had exposed the SNP and that the business community had previously "been fooled".
29

Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

29/10/2009 06:59:37
Iain McMillan is a long standing opponent of devolution in general and the SNP in particular.

Any views he expresses should always be put into that context as he is pursuing a particular anti-SNP agenda.

As far as the other two individuals are concerned, who they?
30

Tynietiger,

29/10/2009 07:57:27
Forced on the defensive.. your having a laugh.

Its time Business leaders and journalists realised that Scotland has what it takes if given financial powers.

Qatar produces less oil than Scotland yet has a $60 billion wealth fund. Norway, another independent nation, has a $410 billion sovereign fund, the third biggest in the world. None of these countries have a problem with a fluctuating oil price and are actively investing globally for the long term benefit of their respective people.

There are 25 billion barrels of oil and gas remaining in the North Sea and West of Shetland. And much more remains in deeper waters of the west coast and in the Minches.
In 2008/9 is that the UK Treasury received around £12-16 billion in tax from oil and gas producers, up to double the £8 billion they received in 2007/8 and 90% of the total is in Scottish waters.
Yet thanks to Gordon Brown’s recession, Scotland is facing a £1 billion a year Union Dividend attack on her budget from Westminster, with no real financial powers to address the country's pressing economic challenges.


31

Tynietiger,

29/10/2009 08:04:43
Callum Findlay says it all in the letters page. Its time for Scottish business leaders to get rid of their dependency culture of thinking the Union is best.

32

Publius,

London 29/10/2009 08:06:06
Swinney: "It looks like I am going to spend the whole day disagreeing with all the business organisations in Scotland, which is a strange position to be in, considering all the efforts I have made for them."

What an arrogant, foolish man. He would be better off telling the SNP leadership to stop spouting semi-socialist rhetoric and join the 21st century.


33

Gary Inserik,

Nova Scotia 29/10/2009 08:14:49
There is an excellent letter in todays paper that explains the situation quite well.

Private sector business leaders are upset because there is going to be a cut in public sector money to them. Fewer grants, fewer PFI style contracts, fewer public works for them to profit from.

How indicative of Scotland unique position - the position of being a servitudinal country with no strong private sector core to stimulate the economy.

I dispair at your so called business leaders. They have quite cleary shown they cannot lead business and turn cap in hand to the Government for hand outs.

What a sorry situation to be in. And the root cause of this? Too many years of a complacent Labour government which has lead Scotland to have a dependancy culture - even in the private sector!
34

Queen D,

29/10/2009 08:16:12
"Actually, I think the cybernats should boycott the Scotsman."

Excellent idea Fifi!
I intend to do just that and I would exhort all others who favour honest , fair reporting to do just that.
( Though whether the description of "cybernat" fits this OAP is questionable!)

Every click does indeed earn this paper money via advertisers.

I leave you Fifi ,Grahamski and others to have conversations with yourselves.

I admit to being so horrified by the partisan press and the Breathtakingly Biased Broadcasting Corporation, that I no longer wish to take part.

Circulation figures are quite interesting are they not?
Tells you something about the way the wind blows for the dead tree press.
35

balti,

Tain 29/10/2009 08:20:16
Can't understand why people respond to maddox.
When I see this name at the top of an article--I just pass on and let the fruitcakes roysters e.c.t get on with it.
36

DialMforMurdoX,

29/10/2009 08:22:28
#6 Darling Fifi La Bonk Bonk, I embrace my cybernat status, if that's the only 'insult' posturing mountebanks like yourself and AMdeux can throw at me, then I must be doing something right.

I think you'll find I'm a person without grievances. I forgive you for your lack of ambition, your lack of confidence in Scotland's ability to do the right thing, your dependence addiction, your slavering devotion to David Maddox (surely a Pulitzer winning journalist in waiting)and finally your fear, your fear of a Scotland that can be normal.

Have a super day, the low winter sun is just lighting up Scotland today and I intend to make the most of it. Toodles. xxx
37

Marian,

29/10/2009 08:31:36
The critics of John Swinney have conveniently ignored the fact that the Scots budget has been cut by Labour in Westminster by £500k for 2010 and further deeper cuts are due in the following years. Despite the cuts John Swinney is doing an excellent job with the financial resources that are available to Scotland. The CBI in Scotland and the other Tory supporters criticising the SNP draft budget have failed to say what they would cut from the Scots budget in order to fund their new development schemes such as the Glasgow airport rail link.
38

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29/10/2009 09:03:16
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39

Alan B,

29/10/2009 09:05:33
#Publius

Abit daft.

Think about it. Doing something to stop alcoholism is hardly anti business. Is McMillan and co really saying that the economic strategy for scotland should be to promote getting people alcohol dependency problems. There is no sense in that critisim.

Whether the snp approach to alcohol is right or wrong is a social issue not an economic one.

How would private prisons boost the economy. Just stupid. They may or may not be a good way to run a prison but thinking that private prisons is somehow pro business and an economic strategy shows how daft the comments are.

It also tends to suggest the unionist supporters like McMillan have no desire to see a successful scottish economy. What next that we should jail more people to make the private prisons more profitable.

And as for your acccusation that it is semi socialist again that is complete bizzarre. Socialism is where the government run industry, ie nationalise it. As far as i can see the only people doing any nationalisation is the uk government to sort out the mess they made of the banking sector.

40

noswod,

Honestas 29/10/2009 09:24:46
Aye Mr Swinney yer now been exposed by these businessmen whoever they are, people who employ people and pay taxes canni hae that. Even these guys can see that using the truck loads O cash frae WhiteHa tae fund revenue expenditure or vote buying gee awa's tae every dependencey class there is in Scotland doesne address Scotlands weak economic infrastructure and desperately weak and declining industrial base. Wit Norway, Sweden, Holland, Switzerland,Denmark did wis tae reduce consumption and pit it intae capital formation tae tak the economony on tae the next level of economic developed page 1 of John Maynard Keynes book on how to develop a modern industrial economy. Even the get rich quick jokers get this, mair infrastructure physical, intellectual and social maks yer mair industraily efficent and then you establish teh tax base frae which you can pay frae German, french and Swedish health and social services. Naye chance wi the Whisky swillers spend, spend spend on freebies we dinny hae tae raise the taxes frae this or tae prop up RBS or HBOS financial failures its easy. SNP, children playing at the serious game of developing and increasing Scotlands economic competitiveness, its our children who are going to have to live with the poverty and deindustrialisation created by these policys. Back to a 1707 GNP level wi the SNP.
41

Ggordon,

29/10/2009 09:28:33

David Watt, Liz Cameron, Ian McMillan, et al instead of complaining about the policies of a democratically elected gov, should address their complains to the Unionist parties. Parties who have supported the underfunding of Scotland for the last 30 years.

If Scotand had been funded properly the would be plenty of finance for more capital projects, like rail links to airports.

The North East has been waiting for (a now vital) bypass for the last 30 years. The bypass is more vital for the economy, than a rail link to Glasgow airport. Glasgow already has a four lane bypass, and a bus service to the airport.

North East, (like Scotland) puts the most in (pro rata) gets the least out. Unionist supported and implimented these policies. The blame lies at your Unionist door, not the Scottish gov. Live with it. Your own fault.

The Scottish gov is try to sort the situation out.

North East must have their vital road.
42

Ggordon,

29/10/2009 09:32:36


RBS and HBOS became UK banks under UK goverance, UK, not Scottish debt.

Problem is Scotland has been underfunded for 30 years
Produced billions of barrels of oil. Profits when disproportionately to fund developments in London/SE.
43

Ggordon,

29/10/2009 09:34:52

Back to worse than 1707 GNP level with the Unionists

Union dividend (not)
44

Alan B,

29/10/2009 09:41:11
#46

Scotlands problem is that within the union westminter governments have totally mismanged the scottish economy.

They ignore our problems and do not build on our strengths. The economic strategy for the uk is to put londons interest first. (That was openly talked about.)

As such we have had completely inappropriate :
-monetary policies
-fiscal policies
-our economic interests are sold out in any trade negotiations so that the city can be the red line issue.
-our companies are used a takeover fodder for the city of london.

And you are right about the neglect of scottish infrasture. No motorway between glasgow and edinburgh. For yrs a motorway from london to carlise but not to Glasgow. No motorway south from edinburgh.

Regulation of telecommunications industry that means scotland trails rather than trying to get a competitive edge etc.

That whole thing is stupid.
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Alan B,

29/10/2009 09:44:26
#noswod

You complain about scotlands weak economic infrasture, an infrasture that is weak because of economic neglect within the union by the 2 dafty parties, and then complain about doing something about it.

Either the union and unionist parties have delivered a strong economy for scotland and there is good reason to remain within the union, or the union has totally failed scotland economically and its time to do something about it. You do not have to be a genious to see the failings of the scottish economy due to serial mismanagement and neglect of the scottish economy by labour and the tories.
46

Ggordon,

29/10/2009 09:50:14

Sensible to try and cut alcohol use. Then there won't be a need for more prison places. (Privitised oe otherwise) Direct link between alcohol and violent crime. 90% of violent crime is commited by people under the influence of drink/drugs.

Maybe McMillan supports the increase of violent crime in order to support a thriving privitised prison service. Not the kind of expensive, industrialisation most societies would support.

Thought the Tories were in favour of reducing public spending.
47

Ggordon,

29/10/2009 09:55:25


FiFi certainly is a night (owl) bird
Always half asleep all day/night. Should waken up
48

Ggordon,

29/10/2009 09:56:19

Or even wisen up
49

Huntly loon,

29/10/2009 10:06:31
#37 Gary. I agree entirely. What I would add is that it appears to me that those who are grumbling are the businessmen who rely on the public sector to be their main customer. These guys are not in the "private" sector they are in a "for-profit public sector" The true "private sector" who provides good and services to other businesses, to the public, and fro export are the true wealth creators, and who provide the taxes to pay for the public sector. The real private sector want to have as little contact with the government as possible because it amounts to Income and Corporation Tax, VAT, Health & Safety, Wages Inspectors, Planning, and a multitude of regulations, etc, which has increased so much in the past 10 years that businesses seem to spend more time producing money for the government and they do running their businesses. But the bulk of these have emanated from the UK Labour Government, not the SNP Government at Holyrood.
The SNP has been far more business friendly than Labour. The reduction or abolition of business rates for small businesses being an example.
50

John H,

edinburgh 29/10/2009 10:17:56
Why anyone would try to defend this utter shambles of a party(SNP) beggars belief. Is anything they say about future policies or past statements ever adhered to? NO. Is the leader still the opportunist with the glib tongue? YES
It reeks of spurious ideals and utter contempt of anyone or group who will not succumb to the gum beating slavering egotistical fool of a leader.
51

Gary Inserik,

Nova Scotia 29/10/2009 10:22:59
52 Huntly loon

Yup, you're right. Scratch the surface of these spurious reports in this type of paper and it becomes very clear what is what. The CBI, possibly made up of a cabal of Government money sookers are now asked to do what they are suppsoed to be doing anyway - generate income in the private sector. Not siphon money from the public secotor and claim it as private sector money.

Why anyone would try to defend this utter shambles of a party(Labour) beggars belief. Is anything they say about future policies or past statements ever adhered to? NO. did the leader "save the World". No!

It reeks of spurious ideals and utter contempt of anyone or group who will not succumb to the gum beating slavering egotistical fool of a leader. Particularly in Glasgow NE. After 70 odd years of Labour control, they are no better off. Probably worse off.
52

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 29/10/2009 10:28:56
I run my own business as does Jim (precision machinist and goldsmith), Josh (top end computer installations), Monica (pcture framing and leather crafts), Murdo (stockman, and school of ferreting), Katie, Marian, Susannah, Katherine (Illuminati Winds). I doubt that HIE and Scottish Enterprise have done anything for us apart from wasting our time. Forensic Accoutant Niall Aslem warned that attending SE Tayside's Business Awareness Week would make me a gibbering wreck but on the last morning a Tayport Finn took me aside: "Remember 3 words, Jim. Suomi, Sisu, Sibelius."

HEADNOTES

It was like winning the World Cup when Finns first heard Sibelius 1. In this glorious scottish autumn its power has never diminished.

Electric Sun Verified ! www.holoscience.com/

28/10/09 Illuminati Winds played Invergordon Academy.

“I was blown away completely,” says space physicist Neil Murphy of NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena.
53

The Tin Man,

29/10/2009 10:36:53
#52 Huntly

"The real private sector want to have as little contact with the government as possible because it amounts to Income and Corporation Tax, VAT, Health & Safety, Wages Inspectors"

Income and Corporation Tax, VAT, Health & Safety, Wages Inspectors apply whether the government give people business, or not. The fact remains, the more the State does, the less the private sector (who pay for the State) do.

Larger state sector = smaller private sector = smaller tax revenues = larger state debt. Unless someone else foots the bills, of course.
54

Harry Shanks,

Rutherglen 29/10/2009 10:48:25
I run a small business.

I am extremely grateful for the support I have received from the SNP Govt. My business rates bill has dropped from approx £7000 per year to ZERO - allowing me to open new premises and employ more people.

With Labour all I ever got was an increased business rates bill every year.

God bless the SNP.

55

Jimbo2,

29/10/2009 10:50:37
"Iain McMillan claimed policies on minimum pricing for alcohol, preventing private sector involvement in prisons and hospitals, cancelling the Glasgow airport rail link and "bullying" drinks giant Diageo over its plans to restructure all meant that the SNP was endangering investment."

This SNP policy on alcohol is about saving lives. McMillan obviously puts profit before lives.
56

Gerry McGuigan,

DUNDEE 29/10/2009 10:59:18
I wish our "business leaders" (sic) would ask Gordon Brown why it is that although we export gas,oil,electricity and food and make up 30% of the UK exports,we are impoverished.

57

The Tin Man,

29/10/2009 11:00:17
#57 Harry Shanks, Rutherglen 29/10/2009 10:48:25

No doubt you were grateful when the previous Lab / Lib Dem administration cut business rates, as well?
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Gerry McGuigan,

DUNDEE 29/10/2009 11:04:01
You are right No.54;and let us not forget that the labour government,as part of its policy to dismantel Scottish industry,closed down the Springburn works and transferred the work to England.
59

cataibh,

Bo'ness 29/10/2009 11:08:22
Institute of Directors in Scotland-- never heard of them.
60

The Tin Man,

29/10/2009 11:11:06
~59

The companies that export gas, oil, electricity and food, are anything but impoverished.

However, as far as corporation tax goes, you will find that Scottish companies are pretty far down the UK list, especially since the Scottish #1 & #3 are now on the government subsidy respirator. Although the government's principle sources of revenue are income tax, National Insurance contributions, & value added tax, with corporation tax fourth.
61

tommy M,

Scotland - sooner independent the better! 29/10/2009 11:12:07
Mr Maddox's "journalism" is nothing more than regurgitated Labour propaganda. This is shocking and shameful Please just report the facts Mr Maddox.
62

Gerry McGuigan,

29/10/2009 11:46:38
Thanks No. 63, but I know all that of course.
63

Fletty,

29/10/2009 12:06:31

Meanwhile, Labour's recession continues unabated, to bite hard. Closing down thousands of businesses every month, lumping millions onto the dole queue.

Do we hear a peep from CBI against Browns fiscal recklessness?




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Harry Shanks,

29/10/2009 12:22:30
#60 - if you would care to refresh my memory as to when the Labour/LibDem admisistration cut my rates bill to ZERO as the SNP have done, I will indeed be glad to congratulate them.

Can't wait.

65

BIG EYE,

Paisley 29/10/2009 12:22:54
McMillan's main job is to defend the interests of multinational companies rather than Scotland.

He is rabidly against any form of Scottish Home Rule as displayed by his vitriolic comments during the devolution debate.

Scotland ignored him then, ignores him now and will do so again for the forseeable future.

He would win more respect if he asked his members for their views but with CBI Scotland (a misnomer if ever one existed) that would be a step too far.
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Alan B,

29/10/2009 13:17:35
#BIG EYE

McMillan is a joke. He and the CBI should be advocating a business manefesto to the government. Proper tangiable requests, and not just become political puppets spouting rubbish.

The snp advocate lowering corporation tax to help investment and business to improve our economy. Yet the CBI in scotland are in the ridiculous situation of fighting against economic progress and development. Ask any business org in the world like the CBI down south if they wanted lower business tax and they would jump at it. There is something sick at the heart of these organisations that seem more inline with orange unionism than promoting a business agenda.
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peter1958,

Glasgow 29/10/2009 13:19:13
I detest the CBI in all forms.
I even have some sympathy for John Swinney on this one - and I am an Uber Unionist and Labour Party Member. The CBI is one dog you can never keep fed - if Swinney backed plans to reintroduce slavery they would claim it was not enough.

What has the CBI ever done for Scotland or the UK?

However, I do love Fifi La Bonbon More Fifi!
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Vasey,

29/10/2009 14:00:17
HEADLINE - John Swinney admits business friction despite 'all I've ever done for them'

Actual comment from John Swinney - "which is a strange position to be in, considering all the efforts I have made for them."

The headline reads like John Swinney can't put a decent sentance together, Do having '#' inbetween words not mean that they were spoken words??????
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The Tin Man,

29/10/2009 14:01:51
#67 Harry Shanks, 29/10/2009 12:22:30

If you have a rateable value of under £8000, you are not eligible of zero rate until next year. You do realise that this is paid for by business rates increases, elsewhere, don't you? It was Labour who introduced the Small Business Rates Relief scheme in the first place, and it was Labour who reduced business rates to the same level as in England. But you know all about that.
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Two Gun Eck,

PALM BEACH FL 29/10/2009 14:36:14
#73

Agent Grhamski on his ritual sneerfest destroys threads that tell the truth on New Labours massive failure in government. As you say, shoot the messenger.

Lambasting the orange one just seems to get him excited and he who has retired from blogging and comment goes into a frenzy of moniker swopping and posting, what a psycho.
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Walter Ego,

Durness 29/10/2009 14:38:59
A politician who is binned as leader by his party has no credibilty.
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Yeah1,

29/10/2009 14:40:37
#73

"Oh I see someone in the Scotsman could not stand reading the truth on Labours legacy in Scotland and pulled the BNP thread. I was lambasting AM2 on facts and as per unseal I won."

You and your equally dimwitted little friend 'Scottish and Proud' appeared to think I (or AM2 as you apparently call me for some obscure reason) was somehow defending Labour, or suggesting that Glasgow did not have social deprivation problems.

I already know Glasgow has bad social problems, and high levels of deprivation - why did you feel the need to list reams of stats on it?

And why exactly do you seem to believe that 'as per unseal (sic)' you 'won'?

Surely in a debate it is only possible to win if someone disagrees with you on something and you prove with facts that you are right?

Where exactly did I disagree that Glasgow has high levels of deprivation?
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Ggordon,

29/10/2009 14:50:14

Your facts can never win an argument because you are completely biased
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Ggordon,

29/10/2009 14:51:13
75 Walter

A leader who is unelected does not have a mandate
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Ggordon,

29/10/2009 14:52:12
78


For 76 not 77

Just popped up
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Yeah1,

29/10/2009 14:58:05
#77

"Oh now the high and mighty one now calling people names, its not like you is it?"

What 'names' did I call you?

If you mean 'dimwitted' that is name-calling thats an accurate description of you.

Anyone who thinks that they somehow win a debate by listing reams of facts about something which the other person already knows and agrees with, is clearly dimwitted to put it kindly.
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Ggordon,

29/10/2009 15:00:38
56 TM

That's why Scottish tax revenues should not be used to foot the bill for an already prosperous London/SE.

Creating an even bigger North/South divide, and increasing deprivation in the North
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Yeah1,

29/10/2009 15:00:45
#78

"Your facts can never win an argument because you are completely biased"

Biased in favour of, or against, who?

Somewhat strange that you have the audacity to accuse me of bias but you never seem to speak up when clearly utterly biased, one-sided, 'see no wrong with the SNP' posters such as 'Scottish and Proud' have something to say.
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Fitba Krazy,

29/10/2009 15:02:27
72 Tin Man,

In my experience, Labour had a pure contempt for my business.

We completely renovated a gross eyesore in the form of 4 railway arches and adjacent lane.

They were full of garbage and old cars etc. when we got them.

The FIRST thing the authorities done was made the rates more than double what they were and what our neighbour was paying.

You didn't pay rates according to the type and size of property but according to how well you done the renovation and the simple introduction of wall curtains and floor carpets meant you paid double than if it was left as it was and used as a garage which caused a lot of noise with banging and made a mess with discarded oil and stuff being poured down the drains AND had a higher turnover.

We completely renovated 4 railway arches by converting them to recording, video and rehearsal studios by re-investing the money made over a 10 year period.

When the Labour controlled Glasgow Council took over they set about destroying this asset to Glasgow by raising the rent by 150%, also insisting on rewiring each arch to 3 phase industrial despite us having already paid the SSEB to install a meter and mains cable. This 3 phase industrial wiring was later ripped back out again along with most of the internal work we had done by the next tenant and others wanted the lane after we spent a while getting it into order.

So Glasgow Council Estates Dept. applied for an eviction decree to serve on me in the remaining arch after giving up 4 regressively, 3 already having been built and refurbished, as dealing with Glasgow Council was impossible. It was blatantly obvious they wanted me out after what was now 12 years of reinvesting the earnings into expanding what was a thriving business before Glasgow Council took over so that they could give the lane and one of the arches to someone else. Perhaps money changed hands and it seemed totally corrupt to me.

THAT IS THE LABOUR THAT I AM FAMILIAR WITH.

How anyone can
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Ggordon,

29/10/2009 15:04:33
Walter


A leader who is unelected, and then appoints unelected members to his cabinet, has even less of a mandate.
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Ggordon,

29/10/2009 15:06:07
85 FC

Shameful

Labour Mafia
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Ggordon,

29/10/2009 15:14:18
84 Yeah 1

You blame SNP for heroin problem. Biased It is a social problem which affects many countries.

Unemployment in Peterhead and Fraserburgh, for which you blame the SNP, is mainly due to the devastation being cause to the fishing fleet, by EU policies imposed by the UK gov.

UK gov, even refuse to have a Scottish minister, at the talks, to fight the fishermen's cause.

You are biased

According to your argument, as the problem escalated during the 1980's it must be Thatcher's fault.




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TheDisplacedGlaswegian,

Edinburgh 29/10/2009 15:21:16
Fitba Krazy #85, I remember using the arches studios at Whiteinch a good few times around 89/90/91 (used to switch between the studio at Berkeley St and yours). Sorry to hear what the idiots at the council did to you - it just shows how utterly inept they can be. They probably turned the screw on you because you weren't forthcoming with a brown envelope. They are like the mafia - they cannot be criticised, they cannot be reasoned with yet they have full control over your livelihood.
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Fitba Krazy,

29/10/2009 15:26:30
Yeah 1,

Labour are the main reason for Scotland's social problems.

They simply use people for their own corrupt ends like enriching themselves as those they falsely purport to represent pay with their money, time, lives and livelihoods.

They should be in jail, not moaning about the SNP not handing them money and assets on a plate as in the days Labour were "running" Scotland.

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dodie,

Kirkcaldy 29/10/2009 15:28:19
Business rates zero, road bridge tolls zero.
Helped me and my business. Well done SNP
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Yeah1,

29/10/2009 15:38:21
#89

"BLAH BLAH BLAH yer all wind and puff. You got owned."

Great response. Excellent to see you are able to respond to my points with superb, analytical and thoughtful counterarguments....

Unfortunately for you, just because you say something and apparently believe it, it does not make it so.

Clearly in your tiny mind you somehow appear to think you 'won' a non-existent debate - despite the fact that I was not disputing the social deprivation in Glasgow.

Anyway I will not bother arguing with you any longer, you clearly don't have the intelligence or ability to respond properly to comments.

This fantasy of you winning the debate has obviously made your day, and I wouldn't want to deprive your clearly lacking life of a small measure of achievement, however false that achievement actually is.
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The Tin Man,

29/10/2009 15:40:35
#92 Fitba

"Labour are the main reason for Scotland's social problems."

Well, councils give people housing, and access to education, and the government give people access to universities etc. No-one is offering 'a whole new life' on a plate. Some people turn out like Willie Bain, and others devote their lives to temazepam. Up to them.
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Fitba Krazy,

29/10/2009 15:41:12
91, The Displaced Glaswegian,

Thanks for your support.

They also seemed to use our initiative in getting loads of money to build the Arches in the City.

A guy came down to see the place and he was only interested in how we stopped the water coming in and other aspects of the building.

I later noticed they got a massive grant to install a ventilation system that seemed to be based on ours with both inlet and outlet fans blowing and extracting air along a sealed ventilation space.

I gave Glasgow Council Estates dept. explicit technical drawings on our first two studios and fairly soon the Arches in the city were opening up as we were being pressurised continuously by the same people who were promoting them, namely Glasgow Council.

Since the Daily Record and Sunday Mail managed somehow to acquire the Shieldhall playing fields that were left to decay by the Council, you will never hear them or indeed many, if any, newspapers criticising them.

They are all in it together, Labour, The Media and the Council.

Nae wonder Scotland and Glasgow in particular suffered terrible deprivation when they are DESTROYING what is done to help provide services.

It seems they want only their "friends" running these facilities.
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Yeah1,

29/10/2009 15:42:02
#90

"You blame SNP for heroin problem. Biased It is a social problem which affects many countries. Unemployment in Peterhead and Fraserburgh, for which you blame the SNP"

Where exactly did I 'blame' the SNP for the heroin problem or unemployment problem in Peterhead and Fraserburgh?

I never suggested the SNP were to blame for either problem.

What I did ask is what exactly the SNP MP has done to try and deal with those problems in his constituency.

It appears that he, like the former Glasgow NE MP, is far too interested in his other more high-profile jobs than in doing his job as a constituency MP - trying to help his constituents with their problems.
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The Tin Man,

29/10/2009 15:44:51
#96

Hopefully, not as fetid as the cellars under Niddry St in Embra!
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Yeah1,

29/10/2009 15:45:09
#91

"They are like the mafia - they cannot be criticised, they cannot be reasoned with yet they have full control over your livelihood."

Sorry I must have missed something when I watched 'The Godfather'.

I didn't realise the mafia were a democratically-elected organisation accountable to the people, who could be voted out if the people disagreed with them...
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Fitba Krazy,

29/10/2009 15:46:38
95, The Tin Man.

And how many council houses were built under the previous Labour Admin.

They also couldn't manage the housing and passed them on to a Housing Assoc.

So the Labour controlled Glasgow Council appear rather hopelessly corrupt and to a lot more people than just me.
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Fitba Krazy,

29/10/2009 15:50:13
Yeah 1,

Many executives and employees of Glasgow City Council are NOT voted in at all.

And once they are in, the nepotism engulfs the whole local authority.

When they have the media in their pockets to print constant lies many people being trusting believe the media as regards Labour when in fact it's all just a wee cosy arrangement they have to enrich THEMSELVES at the expense of EVERYONE ELSE.

They ARE corrupt.
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Fitba Krazy,

29/10/2009 15:56:09
98 The Tin Man,

No I wouldn't think so. Otherwise bands like Wet, Wet Wet, Primal Scream, Oasis and thousands of others wouldn't have used the place for demo recordings and rehearsals. Being railway arches there was a bit of a problem with dampness which was sorted by dehumidifiers. There was fan assisted ventilation and we were on ground level.
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The Tin Man,

29/10/2009 15:58:41
#100

Well, I suggest you investigate your councillor candidates, and vote for the one who looks most trustworthy! Good luck! I have 4 for some weird reason, and we have to write to all four of them to moan about the parking. 4 councillors, an MSP, an MP, and an MEP, and we still can't park after 7pm due to moronic rule changes, that have to be obeyed without question, at all times.
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The Tin Man,

29/10/2009 16:00:53
#102

They would be covered in moss & lichen. It wouldn't go with Marti Pellow's image!
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Fitba Krazy,

29/10/2009 16:05:23
104 The Tin Man

Actually they were not covered in moss and lichen.

They had snowcemed walls and coloured lighting at the end up.

Outside the walls were white and repainted every couple of years with snowcem.

Why are you such a negaton? Are you a labour supporter?
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Yeah1,

29/10/2009 16:28:33
#106

"do you accept that it is the fault of successive British Westminster governments that glasgow north east has so many social and economic problmes or like Tory Unionist politicians on here are you going to blame the people ?"

No of course its not wholly the fault of the Westminster government.

The problems in Glasgow NE are due to a huge variety of things, its far too simplistic to say the Westminster government alone is to blame.

The fault appears to lie partially with the people themselves, partially with the government and council, and partially with the former MP for not doing enough for the constituency.

Equally the problems in Fraserburgh and Peterhead cannot be solely blamed on one thing - again the problems there are due to the people themselves, the government and council, and the soon-to-be former MP for not doing enough to help the constituents.
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Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

29/10/2009 16:35:49
Yeah1

A curious serious of diatribes against Alex Salmond and the SNP in general.

What happened, did a Scotsman steal your lollipop out of your pram?
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Yeah1,

29/10/2009 16:38:16
#108

"A curious serious of diatribes against Alex Salmond and the SNP in general."

In what way?
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Gruntfuttock,

29/10/2009 16:48:19
I believe that Swinney, unlike Salmond, is an honourable man and an honourable politician. However his main problem is his inability to sand up to the bullies in his party. If Swinney was left to his own devices then Scottish politics would be immensely more constructive.
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Mèths,

29/10/2009 16:56:58
1 Who got the Griffin thread pulled?

2 Is there an article here about McNulty having to pay back £13,837?
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Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

29/10/2009 17:00:32
109 Yeah1

Why are your rather feeble attempts at besmirching Alex Salmond in particular and the SNP in general falling upon deaf ears?

What is your motivation for doing this?

You appear to be one rather sad individual with serious relationalship problems.
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Yeah1,

29/10/2009 17:08:45
#112

"Why are your rather feeble attempts at besmirching Alex Salmond in particular and the SNP in general falling upon deaf ears?"

1. In what way am I 'besmirching' either Salmond or the SNP?

I am merely pointing out that, contrary to what most SNP supporters on here appear to believe, the Glasgow NE constituency is not the only constituency in Scotland with social deprivation problems where an MP has concentrated on his other more high profile jobs to the detriment of his constituents.

2. Why do you seem to think it is 'falling upon deaf ears' - you for one have responded.

"What is your motivation for doing this?"

See above.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 29/10/2009 17:09:59
Woo - get Iain Gray at FMQ's. Salmond has ''lost the plot'' he is ''the problem with a capital T and a capital P''. Gray says Salmond is aggressive unwilling to listen and extremely rude. He says Salmond is damaging Scotland's reputation abroad.

Methinks Mr Gray will live to regreat this outburst of churlishness.

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Alan B,

29/10/2009 17:16:28
#Observer

Labour are sinking lower and lower. They really cannot come to terms with scotland not supporting them so they are throwing the dummy out pram.

They are soon becoming the NASTY party.

I think Grey simply cannot deal with the fact he is not up to the job.

He is probably under a lot of pressure from within the labour party. The fact that Murphy is the face of labour in scotland now and commenting on everything is a complete humilation for Grey.



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Observer,,

Glasgow 29/10/2009 17:22:48
117 Why does Rufus keep on deriding what is Labour/Westminster policy when the SNP do it? Could it be he just doesn't have a clue about politics, economics, life, the meaning of the universe, and everything?
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 29/10/2009 17:23:52
Po-faced solemnity = s not wisdom or any economic understanding. The snot keeps running, and running aff McMillan nose and down his pricey jaicket. The infantile petulance of David Watt, director of the Institute of Directors in Scotland takes sotmeime beating. And bate it out of him we will, until this spurious malefactor gets his due drubbing.

"Not all Watts are the same", Ian, who 'se a maker of fine furniture and guitars, told me. The best of families are bound to fire duds and total blanks. As to Jim Murphy, it not a case of arrested development, but NO development at all.

I speak for those who earn money rather than merely aquire it, against the "it's not what you know but who you know" brigade.

Whose time is limited and we'll limit it.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 29/10/2009 17:24:42
115 Gray using personality politics as a weapon, when he doesn't have one, is something of a tactical error.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 29/10/2009 17:26:08
119 He's like Pavlov's dog isn't he. Bless.
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Fitba Krazy,

29/10/2009 17:48:34
122, Observer,

He cannot be that bad surely? He gets 1 or 2 grand a week for acting like an idiot.

Now that's more than some actors get even if they act big and clever.

I wonder when he is gonna do the blindfolded and hand cuffed trick and jump unaided over 5 double deckers and 49 council wheelie bins on his pogo stick from George Square Circus.

Oh that's no a circus ah'm telt. It's the Glasgow City Chambers, ahem. Otherwise known as the Grand Canyon, with the accent on Grand. Loads of them in broon paper bags, so I hear.
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Saruman,

29/10/2009 18:02:35
"The unpalatable truth of the SNP as a political entity is now clear."

That's no nice noo, Annabelle: that separation policy which you sneer at so disparaging happens to be the very raison d'etre of the SNP and a matter of religious certainty to the party's devoted following.
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The Master,

29/10/2009 18:11:35
"Mr Swinney insisted economic growth was still the primary goal of the Scottish Government"

Softly softly now, John: this might go down well in Tartan Country but remember that it's vital for you to make that breakthrough in traditional Labour heartlands and there is a weegie byelection in the near future, so do try to tone it down a bit, old chap!
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Gargamel,

29/10/2009 18:16:55
The Futures Trust is the Nats' separation case in a microcosm: unworkable, ill thought out and widely ridiculed.
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Fitba Krazy,

29/10/2009 18:21:54
133, Would that be the Grand Master?

You know, the Grand Master of Glasgow Council City Chambers?
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Robert Mason,

Larkhall 29/10/2009 18:25:28
Sorry to hear about Fiona Hyslop's resignation. I thought that she was doing a decent job in difficult circumstances.
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Wee Fifer,

Edinburgh 29/10/2009 18:50:38
A bit pathetic of Iain Gray today at FMQs to masquerade as the supporter of 'the business community', with all that fake anger and barely suppressed opprobrium, what a joke.
The SNP Government have bent over backwards to be business friendly, some might think a bit too much even. Supporting public services and keeping them public is the majority opinion in this country whether the CBI like it or not. Minimum pricing is also obviously such a BRILLIANT idea. Go for it, and don't be put off by these narrow interest group bullies.
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Wee Fifer,

Edinburgh 29/10/2009 18:57:22
Huntly at 52 - good comment
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Donkey Hote,

29/10/2009 20:39:20
Wufus Timberflake # 145

It could be, wherever the "Andeys" are.
If it grew there, would you go, promise?
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Observer,,

Glasgow 29/10/2009 20:42:21
Why was 125 deleted when the post it referenced is still on the Scotsman's website via the links from the blogs tab.

Odd, very odd.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 29/10/2009 20:44:26
147 the post at 144 is defamatory. I wonder if that will get deleted too, as the Scotsman have vicarious liability for it.
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Donkey Hote,

29/10/2009 20:44:27
Wufus Timberflake # 147

Why wouldn't you want the police to know? Ah, SNP policy, don't tell Noddy ...
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Donkey Hote,

29/10/2009 20:47:10
Observer # 149

What is defamatory about it, in your instant legal opinion?
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Observer,,

Glasgow 29/10/2009 20:50:19
151 Your allegations about the bands who used Fitba's studios. Your allegations that Fitba allowed class A's to be consumed on the premises. Stuff like that, especially when it doesn't exactly take a psychic to work out what studio it was, ergo who Fitba is.
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Fitba Krazy,

29/10/2009 20:51:02
144 Donkey Hote,

I gave up 3 of the studios reluctantly because of the pressure of trying to deal with people who wanted me out and I gave up the last one after being threatened with eviction.

Your made up load of garbage is typical bumff from an in denial fruitcake, namely, yourself.

Snowcem is self explanatory. White cement.

Mixed with water you then paint walls with it.

F all to do with the coca plant or extracts from such.

You twatt
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Fitba Krazy,

29/10/2009 20:57:55
Donkey Hote,

What have you got to say about the corrupt scumbage in Glasgow Council (Labour controlled) who destroy peoples livelihoods?

Or the media in Scotland who are anti-Scottish?

Or the BBC who play plagiarized material and rig contests etc?

SFA no doubt but you can make up false negative stories no bother eh?

Ya dork.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 29/10/2009 20:59:11
156 My opinion is that as Angus MacNeil was never accused of any crime you are just a gossipy old sweetie wife.

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Observer,,

Glasgow 29/10/2009 21:02:48
Well the mods are on the ball tonight deleting Donkeys' defamatory posts.
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Fitba Krazy,

29/10/2009 21:03:15
Donkey Hote,

Do you work for the BBC?

Or is it the Daily Mince?

Gawn yersel ya bawheid. Huvye run oot ai grass?

Y'know. The stuff donkeys eat?

Dae ye no like carrots?

You know, they orange things ye stick in yer ears tae make ye look better.
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29/10/2009 21:04:13
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Observer,,

Glasgow 29/10/2009 21:07:29
166 Nowt to do with me Donkey. You just shouldn't have posted defamatory nonsense.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 29/10/2009 21:09:40
170 Pure class he didn't notice for ages.
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Fitba Krazy,

29/10/2009 21:09:49
161, Donkey Hote,

Now now, bawheid, ye are making dafty comments again.

You are a right wan you are eh?

I am sure those reading your lies and utter garbage are most impressed ya fawning dunderheid.

Labour ARE corrupt. There ye go I've jist told the world again.
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29/10/2009 21:11:29
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Observer,,

Glasgow 29/10/2009 21:12:58
174 Tut tut. Sore loser. But thanks for the laugh.
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Fitba Krazy,

29/10/2009 21:14:16
166 Donkey Hote,

It's too easy to refute your mince.

You are a liar. There ye go. That wisnae hard.

You are a pro Labour fibber who true to form cannot help telling porkies and trying to smear people when it's yourselves who are the problem and you know it.

Independence from the Labour troughers.

Put them all in the jail and throw away the key.
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Donkey Hote,

29/10/2009 21:14:33
Fitba Krazy # 172

They can't be that corrupt, they threw YOU out of Glasgow.
Laugh at that ...
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Observer,,

Glasgow 29/10/2009 21:16:10
178 I note you admit they are corrupt. You presumably are quibbling about the extent.
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Donkey Hote,

29/10/2009 21:19:14
Fitba Krazy # 177

I am laughing at you. You say that you got thrown out of Glasgow 20 years ago and put that forward as a reason for supporting the SNP.
What have you being doing since the, apart from snivelling in your pillow?
Tell it to John Swinney, see if he will give you back your back street railway arch.
Make sure and let us all know how it goes. I can't wait.
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Donkey Hote,

29/10/2009 21:21:46
Observer # 179

You tell us all how corrupt then Glasgow City Council is, names, dates, sums of money; tell it all, if you can.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 29/10/2009 21:21:49
And what blog would that be?
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

29/10/2009 21:22:21
#172 Fitba Krazy

Labour ARE corrupt...Everybody knows that.

Yet some fools still vote for them.

Sort of like Berlusconi in Italy...Is that why him and B'liar are so pally?
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Observer,,

Glasgow 29/10/2009 21:26:20
182 Oh do behave. How could North Glasgow be dominated by organised crime if it wasn't for corruption. Taxi firms, ''security companies'', drug dealing from community centres, come on - you are not that naive.
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Fitba Krazy,

29/10/2009 21:26:27
189, Donkey Hote,

Crazy Horses MMMmwwwaaahhhhhh MMMmmwwwwaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh

Mooooooooooo ya mug ye.

I wasn't thrown outta Glasgow. Oh no.

I left willingly under my own steam having saw and witnessed the Labour experience for myself.

It's such a shame they still run the place.

Stifling all the dreams and ideas of the citizens as they fill their boots wi the dreams of others.

What a sad farced git you are boyo.

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Donkey Hote,

29/10/2009 21:26:58
The Col. of Monte Cristo # 184

Talk is cheap. If you have evidence blow the whistle, but, you don't. It is easy to make smears too, when you know that you will not be held to account.

Swinney is being held to account by Scottish business and he is shown as deficient. Tackle that without diversions, if you have the capacity.
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

29/10/2009 21:27:32
#180 Donkey Hote - "Tell it to John Swinney, see if he will give you back your back street railway arch."

What a crakerjack idea Pete...We could turn it into The Museum of Labour corruption and Duplicity.

I'm good for for £500.
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Donkey Hote,

29/10/2009 21:29:30
Observer # 186

You made the smear, now prove it. Put your evidence on the table, you are the one who is handing out gratuitous legal advice, show your evidence of corruption that you allege or withdraw you smear.
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Donkey Hote,

29/10/2009 21:33:21
The Col. of Monte Cristo # 190

I doubt that you have two 50 pence pieces to scratch your backside with. Ask Swinney, maybe he will give you a handout. Aye, right.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 29/10/2009 21:35:26
192 I haven't made any smear. *You* admitted that they were corrupt - I agreed with you.

I then asked how North Glasgow could be dominated by organised crime without corruption.

Why do the Council employ security firms run by gangsters?

Why did it take Cllr McAllistair to close down Chirnyside? And why did Bridget McConnell try and get rid of him?

Why was Tam McGraw called the Licensee?

Why are the McGoverns called the McGovernment?

That's just what springs immediately to mind.

Off now - goodnight.
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

29/10/2009 21:35:37
#188 Donkey Hote

Some pro union flag waving from a rag-tag of Labour placemen/women on the private sector versions of the quango gravy train, hardly amounts to taking a pasting from Scottish business.

peter1958 summed up the CBI, perfectly at #70.
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Fitba Krazy,

29/10/2009 21:39:00
Donkey Heid,

.............Labour ARE Corrupt...........

..............Oh yes they are.............

.......Who stole a the money and said it was expenses?......

After 3 now 1,2,3,.... LABOUR...............

.................What are they?............

...............CCCCORRRRUPPPPTTTTT.......

Who in their right minds would vote Labour the corrupt?

.........Donkey Hote?.........
158

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

29/10/2009 21:47:08


Donkey Hole #198 doubts I have two 50p's two rub together.

One English guinea...To the man who brings me the Poltroon's severed head!

Yes Mr Hole, I am well aware of what befell McWhirter after making a similar appeal...but I am much smarter than he.
159

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

29/10/2009 21:55:37
It's Firefox #216
160

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

29/10/2009 21:56:15
Or F i r e f o x sometimes.
161

hoblar,

29/10/2009 21:59:56
"The problems in Glasgow NE are due to a huge variety of things, its far too simplistic to say the Westminster government alone is to blame."

Oh right, let's break out the kleenex and weep for poor old westminster.

You speak the truth for once because the Tories have also been in charge of Westminster, but good old' (sorry 'New') Labour are the defining constant in that they have held Glasgow North East for 70 years, and you being their only fan doesn't change that they haven't made a bit of positive and meaningful difference to that part of Glasgow.
162

crivensjings,

29/10/2009 22:15:02
So let's get this right.

The CBI in Scotland is annoyed because the Scottish Government should continue to tolerate the peddlers of high alcohol content cheap chemical booze to our teenagers, they should encourage the privatisation of our public services and they should spend taxpayers moey which they don't have on the Glasgow Airport Rail-link despite the fact that there is a perfectly good link to Prestwick which could be developed?

Thank goodness we have a socially responsible party in power at Holyrood to stand up to these people.
163

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

29/10/2009 22:40:00
Monday 8 May 2006


Glasgow Airport Rail Link Bill: Preliminary Stage

The Convener; Margaret Jamieson (Kilmarnock and Loudoun) (Labour): If the proposed rail link to Edinburgh airport goes ahead, what would be the impact on Glasgow airport's passenger numbers and, ultimately, on demand for using the Glasgow airport rail link?

Douglas Dewar (Scottish Airports Ltd): We have seen Edinburgh airport rail link proposals that indicate that the west of Scotland would form part of the catchment area. The Edinburgh Airport Rail Link Bill is at an early stage and, as members know, we will object to it. Whether the passenger forecasts will be fulfilled depends greatly on the quality and price of the service provision. Simply building a rail link under Edinburgh airport will not necessarily mean that people will use it.

Michael Matheson (Central Scotland) (SNP): I have a couple of questions for the other witnesses, convener. I apologise for being late, but my train into Glasgow Central station was late, which meant that I missed my connection to get here. It is just as well that I was not going for a flight.
164

Ggordon,

29/10/2009 22:48:38
222

Hi Meths

Think you've upset the donkey He Haw Haw Haw


Ha Ha Ha
165

Ggordon,

29/10/2009 22:50:35


How to win friends and lose compost
166

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

29/10/2009 23:05:13

#195 Donkey Hote

No!

I would say he skewered you good and proper there...he didn't quite sever your head though.

Chin Up.

Still everything to play for.
167

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

29/10/2009 23:13:03
Hey!

What's happened here...Some corrupt Labour MP has embezzled a couple of dozen posts.

Is "The Green Book" OK with that?
168

Ggordon,

29/10/2009 23:20:04


Think you're right

It was libelous
169

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

29/10/2009 23:31:18
#204 Ggordon

No wonder it was censored...being after the Nine O'Clock watershed was hardly an adequate excuse.
170

Fitba Krazy,

30/10/2009 00:16:08
Ford Transit,

Is that yoo hoo gettin yer audition in early for the Santa joab?

 

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