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Published Date: 27 October 2008
ALMOST £50,000 will have been wiped off the average UK house price before the market bottoms out next year, an economics body warned today.


The Centre for Economics and Business Research (CEBR) – which has traditionally been bullish in its prediction for the UK housing market – said it had been forced to revise its forecasts following an "extraordinary combination of factors".

It warns today that the average price of a house in the UK will fall by 25 per cent from a high during the third quarter of 2007 to a trough at the end of next year.

The fall will come despite the Bank of England cutting its base rate by 1 per cent before Christmas, the CEBR forecast. It expects the base rate will be as low as 2 per cent next autumn.

The UK government's bank rescue package will "start to ease mortgage availability within the next few months", the report predicted.

While the study paints a grim picture over the next few years, experts at the CEBR expect house prices will eventually surge from 2011, virtually wiping out recent falls.

The CEBR said: "We expect prices to be broadly flat in 2010, after which prices will rise by around 20 per cent through 2011 and 2012 as fundamentals reassert themselves and affordability will be strong.

"Prices in 2012 will still be 3 per cent lower than in 2007 – this compares with our previous forecast, which predicted that prices in 2012 would be 15 per cent higher than in 2007."

The centre predicted the average UK house price will fall from £196, 693 in 2007 to £180,683 this year, before bottoming out at £157,058 next year.

Total house sales are forecast to fall from 1.76 million in 2007 to 900,000 in 2009. The CEBR said: "Activity in the housing market will remain low as many potential buyers wait for the market to bottom out.

"Overall, we expect transactions in 2009 to remain virtually the same as 2008 levels, with recovery in activity in the second half of the year as mortgage availability eases. Transactions will recover sharply in 2010, with a 33 per cent increase on 2009 levels, as lower prices and more favourable credit conditions attract buyers back."

Ben Read, the CEBR's managing economist, said: "Confidence in the housing market has been shattered as lack of mortgage availability has left few sellers chasing even fewer buyers and expectations of falling prices have become embedded.

"With rising unemployment and falling household incomes, we could see house price falls starting to accelerate again. This will, to some extent, be offset by aggressive interest rates cuts, some of which will be passed to buyers, combined with a gradual relaxation in mortgage availability as the banking rescue package kicks-in."


The full article contains 475 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

ccc,

27/10/2008 09:10:53
Easy Money - Have you not given up yet ? The game is over. You have lost. Accept it.

"the people who want to see prices fall (they wont) in this city"

Easy Money I have news for you. Prices in this city have fallen already. They are likely to continue this fall for at least another 2-3 years.

Do you have a degree in denial ?
2

Brian Ferrari,

27/10/2008 09:24:40
#1

I tend to drink my Tennents.

3

Liz,

Edinburgh 27/10/2008 09:41:28
#1
Easymoney, you really need to do some proper research into economics, finance and how big a pile of *hit the UK is being exposed as.
It does not matter what the BOE interest rates are, banks will continue to be cautious with their lending as the risks of them not getting their money back is high in a falling property market.

Your arguement that Edinburgh is in some way special shows you have not been paying attention to the fact that many of Scotlands/UK/International financial institutions have been caught with their pants down and their poor business plans exposed. I will be very surprised if we do not see significant job losses around in Edinburghs financial sector.

Your attitude to first time buyers and people who rent is curious too. I do not rent but I used to and in many cases it makes a great deal of sense to do so - especially in a falling property market.
4

ccc,

27/10/2008 09:48:19
So what do we all think of Easy Money ?

Are they:

A - A scared landlord who is bricking themselves because they failed to notice this bubble building up - and should have sold when they had the chance.
B - Just some kid on a wind up for a laugh ?

I am not too sure.
5

Liz,

Edinburgh 27/10/2008 10:21:04
#7
That is a tricky one, if they are is as successful as they say they are I really do not understand the desire to post c*ap on these message boards. The rich and sucessful tend to have better things to do.

My guess is we have an overleveraged BTL speculator who is starting to brown their trousers as they are realising that the game is up and they are looking huge losses in the face. Someone young enough to have never experienced a proper recession before and probably does not even understand what one is.
6

ccc,

27/10/2008 10:29:11
Liz, you may well be correct.

Comments like the following would seem to back up the desperate landlord angle.

"looks like there will be some really edgy FTB's out there as a result of articles like this"

Then again comments like the following tend to point more towards a young kid having a laugh:

"Greggs the bakers are always looking for staff"

Anyway back to the story. These people think prices will 'surge' from 2011 onwards ? If you look at every other property crash we have had in this country nothing like this ever occurs. People have been so scared by the huge drops, negative equity, scare stories of people losing everything etc.. that prices tend to scrape along the bottom for a good few years until confidence is restored.

Considering we are heading into the biggest recession in possibly over 50 years - I don't think this will be the bust that quickly turns back into a boom. The idea of property as an investment will be well and truly shot.

FTB's just need to sit back and wait until the market seems to have bottomed out. Then wait a little longer - just to make sure. No benefits of rushing in to catch a falling knife.

FTB's are now firmly in charge. Landlords, Estate Agents, developers and builders are now their servants.

What a fantastic turnaround. About time too. :)
7

tree,

Edinburgh 27/10/2008 10:42:50
Inner city areas, including Gorgie and Pilton, probably will rise over time. In other major Western cities around the world, previously low income inner city areas have soared in value in the past couple of decades Melbourne, Sydney, Auckland, to name but a few. Now that Edinburgh's, and Scotland's population is on the increase (as it has been for the last few years) this trend should start to take place in Edinburgh. It's already happening. £100K plus for areas like Gorgie and Pilton means that you would have to have over £10K saved up, plus be earning around £25-£30K per annum just to qualify for a mortgage these days. Pilton, in particular, is very good value for money. Close to the sea, big flats with huge rooms, good shopping nearby, superb "every 5 to 10 minutes" bus services. I would think, as with the suburb adjoining it, Granton, these are two of the best value for money places in Edinburgh.

Moving up a bit in value, I would think that properties in the £150K to £300K bracket will continue to follow the rest of the U.K. and keep on tumbling down. Prior to this recession you could get £300K mortgages to 100% of the value of the property and around 4.5 to 6 times earnings. Nowadays it's around a 20% deposit and maximum 3.5 times earnings at those very same banks.

The ones that cost more will probably remain stable in Edinburgh, because there are tens of thousands of people a year relocating from England, especially the south, to Scotland, especially to Edinburgh and East Lothian.
8

ccc,

27/10/2008 10:53:19
#11

What planet are you on ?!!

Places like Gorgie have ALREADY had their increase. They are now on the way back down again. My oh my the level of knowledge out there is staggeringly poor. If you had typed this in 2000 you would be spot on. Just a few years out.....

Average FTB salary = circa 22k
Average Gorgie one bed flat = circa 130k at peak.

Long term average house price in this city = between 2 & 4 times average salary.

So flats in Gorgie have to fall by roughly 50% from their peak. Even then that will only come back down to 'normal' levels. These things usually overshoot on the way up and undershoot on the wat down. Well we haev had the overshoot. Let's see what comes next.

9

ccc,

27/10/2008 10:56:07
I have revised my thoughts. I reckon Easy Money is a real landlord bricking themselves.

:)
10

Liz,

Edinburgh 27/10/2008 11:15:49
#15
Well now you are totally contridicting yourself. You say "you have to laugh at the idiots who got on the BTL bandwagon post 2000 and either bought new build or paid silly money on the offers over"

Why do you have to laugh? What do you think is going to happen to all those who got on the BTL bandwagon post 2000?!
If you are suggesting they are facing financial difficulties then that is all the more reason for the FTB's to hang around for these places to be repossessed and sold at auction. If not then surely they are only following your opinion that you cannot loose in property and a one bedroom flat in Edinburgh is going to be worth £Xmillion in however many years time. Which one is it? you cannot say these BTL's are doomed to fail when at the same time say that prices are never going to fall here?
11

ccc,

27/10/2008 11:26:03
"The Centre for Economics and Business Research (CEBR) has come up with a very clear picture for property prices in the next 2-3 years....upwards."


Actually I have revised my thoughts again. Easy Money is simply on the wind up. :)

Point 1 - These people (CEBR) have been woeful with their predictions so far. Why believe anything they say now.
Point 2 - Their predictions shows prices falling for the next 2 years.

How exactly does this equate to an upwards picture for prices over the next 2-3 years….

Yes - I have to conclude that Easy Money is just having a laugh. Nobody can be quite this simple. Can they ?
12

Proximaking,

Aberdeen 27/10/2008 13:03:42
The fundamentals are reasserting themselves and the fundamentals are people don't like living alone so the numbers of single person households are starting to fall again, people have seen through the flawed argument perpetuated time and time again that while a car sitting rotting on your drive depreciates and this we can all understand there is some magic law that states houses sitting rotting on their plots should somehow appreciate instead of depreciate, etc. In other words houses are being seen again what they were seen as years ago, somewhere to bring up your kids and stay until you drop dead of old age and then your kids sell them off cheaper than you bought them for because they need a lot of work doing to them. What this means of course is that anyone who bought a house in the last ten years or so will lose money if they try and move as they will be in negative equity and the house price will never rise again to give you free money. As people see even those ten years back down the line getting their fingers burnt they will never ever ever trust the market hogwash as given in the Scotsman piece above again. Prices will drop to only 30% of their peak price and stay there, end of story. Anyone who says anything different is either in the housing industry and has an axe to grind or they are deluding themselves because they have taken out a mortgage in the last ten years. The housing "industry" is dead and thank God for that. Then again so is capitalism or hasn't anyone noticed yet?
13

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

27/10/2008 13:47:01
Easy Money: The "experts" have been telling us for years that there is no credit bubble; that house prices cannot fall due to a national shortage; that there can be no rcession without rising interest rates.

They've been wrong right through to when they were forced to admit all three by the facts staring them in the face.

Now the "experts" are predicting a short and shallow recession followed by a solid recovery. They'll be just as wrong about that.

The credit cycle has turned. The bubble cannot be put together again. The end of this cycle will not only see a lack of cash to borrow, but a general refusal to borrow. Asset prices will thus take a very long time to recover.

Last time around, Wall Street stocks hit their 1929 peak again in real terms in 1992. It may not take as long as that for housing to recover, but it won't be a handful of years either.

14

Liz,

Edinburgh 27/10/2008 14:44:55
#20 rather than repeating your usual guff can you please respond directly to my point made in #16
15

piece of cake,

Edinburgh 27/10/2008 14:58:52
17, I would agree with you. Remember that these guys produce guesstimates of what they think may possibly happen at some point in the future. 25% Fall? What's your error margin, +-1%, +-10%? Confidence limits anyone? They have admitted that an "extraordinary combination of factors" are at work here - which means the models used previously are now invalid (not that they appeared to be any good in the first place).

If I had taken 'expert advice' this time last year I would now be in very deep doo-dah. Get to know the market and make your own informed choices. You owe this to yourself before making the biggest financial commitment of your life.

I'll be keeping a close eye on the employment numbers in Edinburgh as the banks have yet to 'restructure'. Think it won't happen? Let's see what happens after a few loss making quarters.

The credit nuke has gone off - we're still waiting for all the fallout to settle.
16

Swinging Haggis,

Edinburgh 27/10/2008 15:31:21
Easy Money, you my good friend are about to learn a hard lesson. This is no ordinary cycle and will be far different from both the 70's & the 90's. Capitalism as we know it is about to have a paradigm shift.

House prices go up based on how easy it is for buyers to obtain the funding to buy the property. This is not going to recover for a decade! And therefore properties will not go up for atleast a decade..growth will at best match inflation. I am willing to place a bet on this scenario.

As for Edinburgh the situation is worse. Job losses in finance are going to be far greater than currently predicted, and the job losses will include many individuals who earn well above the average salary.

This will have a dramatic knock on effect for ALL Edinburgh businesses as the cash flowing through the local economy reduces heavily. These individuals will also have to move from Edinburgh to seek employment elsewhere, thus reducing demand for residential property.

There is currently no drawcard industry in Edinburgh for individuals seeking lifestyle and good salary. This has never before been the case for Edinburgh in the past.

If you have 10 years you may once again start to see growth in your investment but after adjusting for inflation and deducting all your expenses on the property during that period you will find a better return would have been achieved by holding a deposit account with a non Icelandic Bank!!

My advice is to sell your property, rent regardless of high rents because an extra 5-10k per year in rent is far better then the capital loss you will receive on the property.

Buy back in late 2019!!
17

ccc,

27/10/2008 15:35:07
This was their prediction at the beginning of 2007:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-432030/House-prices-rise-1-000-month.html

----------------------------------------------------

"the housing market surge is predicted to continue throughout 2007 into 2008"

"The Centre for Economics and Business Research predicts that the cost of the average home in the UK will go up from £187,000 to £225,000 by the end of 2010"

"According to the report, the average house price inflation will be limited to 1.5 per cent in 2008 and 3.9 per cent in 2009, before recovering to 7.1 per cent in 2010"
----------------------------------------------------

In short - their predictions are completely useless. Even my own predictions have been markedly more accurate then this group of 'experts'. And all I do is look at the simple factors behind all of this. Not difficult.

So when this group of useless forecasters tells you to expect 25% falls then you can expert them to be double that. If not more.
18

Liz,

Edinburgh 27/10/2008 15:36:25
#24
Again I ask you to respond to my points in #16
19

ccc,

27/10/2008 15:41:30
"as rents continue to rise as well...."

What parallel universe do you live in ? Rents are falling. The supply of places to rent is incredible.

As predicted by myself and a few others well over a year ago. Rents and house prices in Edinburgh to fall together.

Coming together as expected. As 23 states this is no normal 'recession'.

When was the last time the complete World Financial system collapsed ?

For a group of 'experts' to think it will all be sorted out and people will be paying a fortune for property again in little over 2 years ? - Fantasy thinking at best.

20

Swinging Haggis,

Edinburgh 27/10/2008 15:44:05
Easy Money I don't know why you trust the "experts" when they call the bottom of the market when they failed to get even close to calling the top as per #25 extract.

They will call the bottom every year for the next 10....
21

Liz,

Edinburgh 27/10/2008 15:52:12
#27
and don't forget how are all these people working in all these people who Easymoney suggest are going to end up working in:
"DIY stores, garage forecourts, Greggs the bakers and ice cream van franchises...."

going to afford these ever spiralling rent costs?
22

J McAllister,

Edinburgh 27/10/2008 15:52:48
EasyMoney,

Bet you saw this financial collapse a mile off, didn't you? :)

Oops, no, you didn't. Because you had (and have) no clue what's going on.

Unfortunately for you, much of the daft boom of the last two years in particular was driven by bonuses in Edinburgh's financial sector. Hey, what do you think the odds are of those bonuses continuing to roll in over the next few years?

You simply haven't got your head around what's happened here. Like many, you are thinking that this is a shock from which we'll soon recover. No. This IS the recovery, to historical norms, which do not include trillions of pounds of fraudulent financial instruments washing around the world's economies. VAST quantities of credit have been sucked out of the global financial system. The only way you'll see nominal stability is if it's accompanied by huge wage increases, i.e. severe devaluation.

The days of mediocre people making big money from the easy availability of cheap credit are over. You have to be able to do real work now! (Sadly for you.)

Bye bye! :)
23

ccc,

27/10/2008 15:54:18
#28

"Easy Money I don't know why you trust the "experts" "

I think you know why they are trusting them. Simply because they are saying what Easy money wants to hear.

Just like all those last year who clung to the 'House prices in Edinburgh will never fall' mantra.

Now that is gone the next mantra will be 'Well they may fall here, but not as much as everwhere else, and anyway they will start shooting up again soon because Edinburgh is special'....

Well when it comes to this crisis Edinburgh is special. For all the wrong reasons though.
24

ccc,

27/10/2008 18:44:45
Is Easy Money some sort of computer programme ?

So this easy money thinks that those 'sitting on the fence' are deluded fools ? Well not quite sure what their definition of 'sitting on the fence' is but it is not what I think. I think the computer programme that is Easy money means 'sitting on the sidelines'....

Also - why is an article that states prices are going to fall for the next two years - used to back up the claim that FTB's will be 'frustrated' ?!

I think the Easy Money programme needs to be worked on. It needs to make at least a little sense.
25

ccc,

27/10/2008 18:47:15
"love the fear in here today" - You actually have mental issues don't you ? Why would people with no debt be fearful of a situation with house prices falling ? Have I missed something here ?

Also I do love how an article claiming house prices will fall for a further 2 years is seen as 'positive news' for someone who wants prices to remain high ?

Strange strange fellow.
26

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

27/10/2008 18:53:37
Here are samples from the "experts" at the turn of the previous credit cycle. Note how they both fail to predict the crash, and then predict that the bottom has already been reached all the way down:

http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_01/seymour062001.html
27

An Greumach Mor,

Scotland 27/10/2008 19:01:30
House Prices unlike every other traded asset backed investment are special.

When the Tech Stocks or the Blue Chip companies hit trouble they lose demand. When they are in financial trouble they make no profit and pay no dividend, etc, etc.

Houses are required by people regardless to live in with the added advantage that they have doubled in value every 9.2 years since before the 1st world war.(Stat. ODPM)

With mass inward immigration, smaller family sizes etc the demand for property will continue to be there and as demand increases so does price. When the house price drops the rental price either stays the same or rises unlike the yield on a stock portfolio, so for long term income generation it makes great sense.

As for the value, in times of financial drama and global uncertainty people put there plans on hold, as would be prudent but once the market bottoms out the economics of supply and demand will return and prices will rise.

People are not buying but they still want to buy and only those who have no option but to purchase or those with enough money to take advantage of the situation are buying homes.

What you are arguing about above is a short term problem. There are always fluctuations, fools react to them. Other than lots of people dying or leaving the country the demand for housing will increase. The rich will buy and rent them out to the poor, the poor will aspire to own and those that can will buy and those that can't will rent. The percentage the banks lend will change and possible the margin of BBR to product rate but that will all be passed to the tenant.

I know which one I prefer being.

When I retire in 30 years my many small properties will pay me a good pension, no a great pension. I control my own destiny, I have title deeds that cannot be nationalised with a sweep of the hand that caused the mess.

Unfortunately for many of you glorying in the temporary decline look at the Return on Investment over 20 years for a Buy to
28

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

27/10/2008 19:05:21
I dunno if this guy is an expert, but he's worth listening to because he happens to be correct:

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2008/10/27/days-of-inflated-house-prices-are-over-91466-22123313/
29

An Greumach Mor,

Scotland 27/10/2008 19:06:46
ccc

If you are renting long term you are always worse off. All your money goes down the toilet. If you are buying and you have only small growth you have earned something back. Plus it is yours. You cannot be given 2 months notice to quit any time.

Renting is OK short term but that is what the poor have been doing for centuaries, little good it has done them. Owning provides a legacy to pass down the generations. The rich have always known this.

30

An Greumach Mor,

27/10/2008 19:12:53
#36 FOFP

I would agree with your dismissing many of the experts. There are always people who push gloom and those that push boom. They are never right in advance very often. They usually never see it coming but try to explain away what has just happened will continuing to make statements about the future that never happen.

The media then in turn looks for the statements that best reflect the mob hysteria position and report it, thus other outlets then repeat it.

Selling news is not the same as reporting news. The product should have a wow factor. Fear provides that very well. Same old strategy just a different bogey man each day.
31

tree,

Edinburgh 27/10/2008 19:41:10
No. 37: "With mass inward immigration, smaller family sizes etc the demand for property will continue to be there and as demand increases so does price."

Which is why I think the prices in Edinburgh won't go down much. Edinburgh's population is rising, and much of the increase is due to people from England emigrating to Scotland, chasing decent schools, public transport and health services.

"The rich will buy and rent them out to the poor, the poor will aspire to own and those that can will buy and those that can't will rent."
That's a huge generalisation. The rich will only buy if they haven't got a better use, returns wise, for their capital. And social housing schemes ensure that the poor can become home owners, even if they only have enough income to fund purchasing a quarter of their property.


32

tree,

Edinburgh 27/10/2008 20:12:24
No 23:
"There is currently no drawcard industry in Edinburgh for individuals seeking lifestyle and good salary. This has never before been the case for Edinburgh in the past."

Edinburgh's population is exploding, and not because of the decent lifestyle or good salary. They're both plentiful south of the border. Try more essential things, like decent nearby schools where places are allocated by catchment areas, and not by bribing the vicar, rain that dribbles down rather than buckets down in sheets, the sea (well, I think the sea is essential...), the best bus service in the UK (and probably the cheapest), rents that are good value for money, a hospital that looks like a five star hotel and delivers the same kind of service, - and why only have one decent hospital when you can have two! - NHS dentists, local doctors who don't have a waiting list, free swimming lessons in the summer, for children and adults.

This drop in prices is artificial, because it's caused by tightening of lending criteria, as opposed to a drop in demand or a glut of housing. I don't see this government influencing demand by reducing the number of migrants to Britain any time soon.

To people who own houses, I would say to sit tight and don't panic. And DON'T let the bank foreclose on you if you lose your jobs. Under current rules, if you qualify for job seekers allowance or income support you can get help with your mortgage interest. Sure, not as housing benefit, but the help is available via the DWP. If they are not helpful, try the Citizens Advice Bureau. There should be no need for the vast majority of home owners to end up losing their homes in this recession.
33

Lord_S,

Edinburgh 27/10/2008 20:36:22
"Which is why I think the prices in Edinburgh won't go down much" - Prices will go down much. People need to borrow to buy a house, and if they can't borrow that money they can't pay huge amounts for an ex council flat in pilton no matter how much they "demand" it.
Rent here isn't good value for money when it costs more than 50% of the average take home pay each month to live in bleak council schemes.
Free swimming lessons only if you can't be bothered working I assume?
The drop in prices is real (not artificial) because the prices are too high and the credit conditions (and certainly not wages!)can't support it anymore.
Migrants will dry up. Why will any migrant come here when they can go to far more pleasant countries and if the value of the pound is falling?
Edinburgh is MASSIVELY overrated and set to revert to normal.
34

ccc,

27/10/2008 20:51:19
I am amazed that there are still people in denial. I really am. I can guarantee everyone owns a property (Or owns a debt more than likely). I do not own a property. I may one day.I am still not sure. Seems a lot of hassle. So therefore I think I can say I am new to neutral on this subject.

Increasing population ?!! Really ? Why ? Roughly 30k Polish here. Just how many of them are heading home in the next few years ? Easily half I would imagine. Shortage of homes ?!! Where is this happening ? All I see is masses of property for sale and property for rent in this city.

We are a city built on financial services, tourism and recently building and property. All three are SERIOUSLY goosed for at least 3+ years.

Just why would the price of a property during these few years do anything but go down ? Why would people start to pay more for something than they have to.

The logic for houses rising, in real terms, in this city anytime in the next few years is slim to none.

When the recession/depression is over. When Edinburgh business is picking up again. When Edinburgh is an attractive place to move to - this will be when prices may start to creep up again. Anyone who thinks this will happen in the next 5 years, in my opinion, is in denial.

The biggest boom in a generation will be followed by the biggest bust in a generation.

Not rocket science.
35

ccc,

27/10/2008 20:59:09
#39

"If you are renting long term you are always worse off. All your money goes down the toilet. If you are buying and you have only small growth you have earned something back. Plus it is yours.You cannot be given 2 months notice to quit any time."

Sorry but your argument is so flawed it is incredible.

Your money goes down the toilet ? Well please explain to me what paying a lender a massive amount of interest is doing ? Yes you guessed it - down the toilet.

You have earned something back ? Not if you have massive repair bills to pay for. Not if you have troubles with troublesome tenants. Not if the price of your asset is falling and you are paying a huge amount of interest.

Plus it is yours ? You cannot be given 2 months notice to quit any time ?

Well maybe once you have paid the mortgage off yes. However up until that point you are simply under the power of a bank rather than a landlord. You ever heard of repossession ? It is yours is it ? Well no not until you have paid the mortgage off it isn't.

Now I don't disagree that buying a few flats OUTRIGHT or buying with a mortgage at the VERY RIGHT time can be a reasonable investment. However how about you go off, add up how much hassle and stress you have had from your properties. How much interest you have paid to the bank. How much you have paid for maintenance. Then add in the fact these assets you have been paying for are soon to lose probably 50% of their value. Maybe more.

As I said, maybe a reasonable investment. Not the golden one that most have been brainwashed into thinking however.
36

ccc,

27/10/2008 21:06:56
#42


"Edinburgh's population is exploding"

Really ?!! According to most figures I have seen it is pretty similar to what it was 20 years ago....

"This drop in prices is artificial"

You simply don't get it do you ? The INCREASE in prices was artificial. We are simply now reverting to norm.

Long term average is average house = 2-4 times average salary. In Edinburgh last year it was about 8 times. Work it out...

"There should be no need for the vast majority of home owners to end up losing their homes in this recession."

Why would a HOMEONWER have to worry about losing it to a lender ? A DEBTOWNER would have to worry about that. Don't you get it ? Until you have paid off your mortgage you are NOT A HOMEOWNER. It really is such simply logic I am astounded I have to point it out so often.

Homeowners have nothing to worry about. Debtowners do.

Prices in Edinburgh will fall by at least 30-40%. Listening to people that know a lot about this subject I actually think we will see more like 50% plus.

The quicker people accept this the better. No point being in denial about it. Wealth destruction is taking place on a massive scale.

Currency. Property. Pensions. All being systematically destructed in value. And why ? Simply because people and lenders got greedy during the previous 10 years of the property 'boom'.

What we are seeing today is not the cause - it is simply the effect.


37

ccc,

27/10/2008 21:29:09
Easy Money you just don't get it do you ?

The examples you show simply back up everything I am saying. Do you not understand this simple concept ?

Such hard work. I can tell you one thing. People who have no debt and don't have a mortgage on property are far from worried today. Or anytime for the next few years for that matter.

Now toddle off and get that boiler fixed landlord servant :)

38

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

27/10/2008 22:13:09
I'm afraid that the time of easy money is over.
39

ccc,

27/10/2008 22:13:49
Do the administrators of this site not want to delete the account of someone who is simply copying and pasting the same thing over and over again ?

I think it is known as 'trolling'.

An example:

Comment 1:
scum like this have been ripping prople off and deserve to be competing with FTB's for jobs in petrol stations and DIY stores....

Comment 53:
scum like this have been ripping prople off and deserve to be competing with FTB's for jobs in petrol stations and DIY stores....

In fact I have just realised comment 1 is an exact copy of Comment 53.

Please do your job Admin. :)

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Lord_S,

Brazil 27/10/2008 22:20:02
"ambitionless lives" = the life of a landlord. So lazy and ambition free they want to live off the work of others detached from any form of society, and without even the ambition to work up any form of career ladder. Since when has owning some rubbish flats been seen as ambitious? grow up and accept it's over.
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ccc,

27/10/2008 22:28:52
Easy money. It is quite simple to rubbish these 'experts' claims. I simply showed an article where they had previously got predictions completely wrong.

You understand this ? Their predictions hold no value.

Anyway why all of a sudden is a prediction of a 25% fall in house prices seen as a good thing by you?

Funny change in sentiment from 6 months ago eh :)

Back then a 0.0000000001% drop in prices in Edinburgh would be seen as a bad thing.

Sentiment has changed. Even amongst the denial ridden bulls seemingly.

Get used to it.
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ccc,

27/10/2008 22:39:50
Easy money.

I think I have been reading about his subject for years. I know what I am talking about. I have already responded to those comments by An Greumach Mor.

They seem to be another in denial who thinks landlords can simply increase rents when they see fit.

So clueless it is incredible. How about you have a look around Edinburgh right now. Rather a lot of competition for your sky high rates is there not ?

You ever heard of void periods ? You understand what these mean ?

This is like an episode of Rainbow.
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ccc,

27/10/2008 22:48:55
#61

"The Scotsman has provided us with sensible and unbiased reporting on all levels throughout the so called credit crisis"

Well there we have it. No point anyone listening to you. Not that any were anyway.

By the way if you are in Brazil I am King Canute.
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Lord_S,

27/10/2008 22:50:55
"people just cant resist the quality of life Edinburgh has to offer." = such quality of life that you claim to not even live here! You can't be serious. You must just be a troll. No one could be so dense.
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ccc,

27/10/2008 22:59:37
"guaranteed no. 63 will actually lose sleep tonight as he's so wound up over this web page!!! "

I think you actually need help. Lose sleep over what ?

I am doing just fine thanks. Could go out and buy myself a Porsche with CASH tomorrow if I wanted. I choose not to. I choose to use my brain instead. See what is coming. Plan for it whilst the majority live in denial. Simple plan.

Try it sometime. Feels great. :)
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Dekester,

Canada's westcoast 27/10/2008 23:44:00
This great entertainment. "Easy money" is having a laugh.

Vancouver is a very attractive city. Immigration and migration from Eastern Canada is immense.

Yet we see property prices plunging . By as much as $10,000 a week. An acquaintance just sold a residential property in town for $850,000. It had been on the market for 4 months at 1,200,000.

He is sensible chap, and can afford it. He did not see the massive debacle, that is the unwinding of credit markets coming.

If "easy money" was so clever. He really should have sold 12 to 18 mths ago. I doubt he was that clever though. Wait till the banks. Start charging their losses. Royal bank of Canada common shares were down today by nearly %10, and Canada's banks for the now are in better shape than much of Europe's

All the best.
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J McAllister,

Edinburgh 28/10/2008 07:28:44
Guys, why do any of you respond angrily to easy money? He's only writing his "opinions" for a laugh. Nobody is THAT clueless. Nobody could actually have THAT little understanding of what's going on. It's a joke. Treat it as such! Enjoy!

Tree, on the other hand, possibly believes what he/she is writing. It's an example of the standard psychological fallacy of "anchoring". Tree has gotten used to the fraudulent levels of excessive debt-money creation of the last five years and thinks that THIS is the norm to which we will return after the current "blip". As someone else has pointed out, the fraud-bubble WAS the blip. Normal service is now being removed.

Easy Money, keep up the good work. You remind me of Sarah Silverman: some people are stupid enough to think she's racist, when she's actually engaging in meta-comedy. Like you, she's parodying the ludicrous position she purports to hold.
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J McAllister,

Edinburgh 28/10/2008 07:30:22
I mean "normal service is being resumed", of course. One beer too many! Debt deflation = good times!
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ccc,

28/10/2008 09:01:58
#68 J

You see I am not sure about old Easy Money. Half the time I reckon they are on the wind up. Half the time not.

Thing is there are THOUSANDS of people in Edinburgh who have such insulated and ignorant views of what is happening here. What Easy Money is saying is nothing unusual surprisingly. Their thoughts about how Edinburgh is 'different' is actually quite widespread. Been a lot of brainwashing going on by the VI's in recent years.

The way easy money gives their opinion is a bit over the top, but then there are a lot of idiots out there.

I will continue to sit on the fence with Easy Money. Having a laugh or out of their depth ?

Mmmmmm - yet to be decided.

Amusing anyway. :)
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googler,

29/10/2008 09:09:48
Yes, yes.... UK house prices, blah, blah.

Personally, I'm not bothered about price drops in England-shire and Wales .... just what's on my doorstep. What will happen to SCOTTISH prices?
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edinburghiscommon,

edinburgh 30/10/2008 10:32:51
More rambling posts by Easy moron - this kid has clearly nothing better to do, and very likely doesn’t even have a mortgage. I don't have a problem with people posting wind-ups as long as they can actually type something rather than copy and paste the same drivel riddled with spelling mistakes. "Easy"? - I think your Mum is calling you downstairs...
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30/10/2008 15:05:35
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
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googler,

31/10/2008 16:50:36
... deserted because it's traditionally been the same people who walk in there week after week, i.e. the office workers in the square bordered by Princes St and Canonmills, the West End and the East End, looking for something to do in their lunch hour?

Honestly, with the state of the roads, the zealousness of the parking attendants, the tram works, would YOU travel from outside this central area to browse properties on the wall, or pick up a schedule (assuming they still hand them out anymore...)

However, given that the original concept & function, prior to production of what was the 'weekly list', and in pre-internet days, was to provide a central 'shop window', to save buyers having to traipse from one solicitors window to another all over town, it has to be asked; when internet usage is more prevalent, does it still provide this function?

 

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