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We'll build cheap homes .. but not in a posh backyard



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Published Date: 23 June 2008
A BUILDER of up-market flats has sparked protests by moving the social housing element of its scheme two miles down the road to Leith.
Council housing chiefs have been criticised for allowing Dutch developer MaB to build the affordable flats near the dock's former red light district rather than in Trinity.

Critics say the decision means the city has missed the "last chance for a
generation" to build affordable homes in the affluent neighbourhood.

The development at Trinity Park House is being advertised as "a sanctuary in the city" and an "exclusive luxury development of apartments", boasting a Victorian walled garden.

The builder had initially agreed to include a quota of affordable housing as part of its planning agreement for 250 new homes in Trinity.

But the council has agreed instead to let it build the affordable housing at Poplar Lane and Salamander Place in Leith.

Forth councillor Elaine Morris told the Evening News today: "I am very concerned about this. It was part of the legal agreement and moving it will deny people in Trinity the chance to buy one of these affordable houses, and make it all the more difficult for them to find a home.

"It's not fair to say affordable housing will be included, then to move it. This was the last chance in a generation for the people of Trinity to have some affordable housing."

Under Edinburgh planning rules, new developments of a significant size should set aside between 15 and 20 per cent of homes for affordable units.

But it has become increasingly common for developers to pledge a section of a new project – usually situated in more affluent areas – only to move it to another development already earmarked for affordable housing.

This has led to concerns in the past not only of depriving certain areas of social housing chances, but around creating "urban ghettos" in other areas.

The issue provoked controversy at the planning meeting last week, with planning convener Jim Lowrie forcing the vote through after a tie.

As a result of this deal the affordable housing quota – expected to be 47 units – will now be built at new sites.

MaB said the move would result in seven extra affordable homes being built.

Port of Leith Housing Association, working alongside MaB on the development, is said to also support the plan.

Councillors were told by planning officials at the meeting: "Essentially, it is clear that affordable housing can be provided at both sites.

"The Leith site has the advantages of being in the position to be more cost effective and can provide faster delivery.

"On the basis that this request involves the speedier provision of more units than is required, a partial exemption of the criteria (which dictates affordable units cannot be transferred from large developments] is justified."

The Trinity Park House building, on South Trinity Road, is the distinctive site of the former NHS Common Services Agency.





The full article contains 497 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 23 June 2008 11:14 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Mortgage and property news
 
1

Saoghal Beag,

23/06/2008 12:45:26
Another trick the developers are using is to allocate blocks of their development to subsiduaries, staying below the affordable housing thresholds. Pointless policy unless enforced.
2

Ecto,

London 23/06/2008 12:53:06
Surely the only reason these are affluent areas is because they are not full of social housing projects. Edinburgh council love to be spiteful and plant nasty houses next to nice areas I am glad the developer has seen sense here.
3

JT,

23/06/2008 12:54:56
Time to start legal procedings then. The council must take a stand against this for once. The developers are simply breaking contracts and must be punished.
4

Unimpressed one,

23/06/2008 12:59:45
#3, Too late - the brown envelopes have been passed.
5

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23/06/2008 13:01:18
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6

alex paterson,

edinburgh 23/06/2008 13:01:27
Have you ever had a look at this developers work,shocking.
7

The Judge,

23/06/2008 13:04:52
If I had the money to buy a nice flat in Trinity I wouldn't want to live next door to dole scrounging junkies either. Well played the developer.
8

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23/06/2008 13:33:44
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9

fresian,

Dubai 23/06/2008 13:35:11
I thought the whole point of the planning process was so that any new building was in keeping with the surrounding properties. How can they get away with allowing poor people to live in such an area. People who live there have worked for years to get there.
10

Sally Longlegs,

edinburgh 23/06/2008 13:44:31
#8 superb
I live in Trinity and dont want these type of people next to me!
11

Buttress,

23/06/2008 13:48:47
Sda to think that people consider that those who require 'affordable' housing will be the scum of the earth and awful neighbours.

Not always the case, is it? Many decent people are not well off, and mixed neighbourhoods are surely better than ghettoes?

It's the same with Caltongate by the way - the 'affordable' housing isn't actually going to be part of the development. No, it's shuffled off, off site, and not to benefit from the supposed 'green' heating system either.
12

Les insolences du Frère Untel,

23/06/2008 13:51:56
Anyway Poor people can still come into the area - as long as they are quiet and well presented - to do odd jobs, fit carpets, clean and deliver electrical goods.
13

Les insolences du Frère Untel,

23/06/2008 13:55:33
11 Why do you work ? To earn money ?

12 Where would you rather live , The Grange or Niddrie ?

I'm generalising of course but CMON. Get Real !
14

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23/06/2008 13:57:37
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15

Rv2!,

23/06/2008 14:09:00
Affordable housing is for the people being screwed by employers who are getting cheap and keeping wages low. This is due to immigration and having many people living in one flat.

A landlord can make more money from immigrants by charging all of them for part of the flat.

An employer can pay minimum wage to these same people and move them on before any work related commitments some along.

The wage gap is getting larger every day. Many hard working people cannot afford a £700/month mortgage like some of you suggest they should.

Many hard working professionals NEED affordable housing due to the shocking wages on offer today.
16

Les insolences du Frère Untel,

23/06/2008 14:16:51
16 You are a perfect example of why the not so well off will remain so. You cant think properly.

Wages are low because of "many people living in one flat".
17

PG,

Edinburgh 23/06/2008 14:19:40
Actually, depending on the definition of "affordable housing" in this case, it could be a good move by the developer. Affordable housing is aimed at people who earn under about £32k or so. For the houses being offered to fit into a reasonable "affordable" bracket for that income (whether they be 60/40 ownership or discounted sale type) in that area (taking into account land and build cost and assuming the builder isn't expected to lose a fortune on each house) they'd have to be tiny and very basic. On the other hand, build your affordable housing in an area where the land price isn't so high and you'll be able to provide bigger and better quality for the same price. Lets face it, the "affordable to own" type housing won't happen in certain areas of the city because of the income ceilings the council have imposed on the scheme meaning that these areas can only really provide "affordable to rent" type housing and only then if the council subsidise it.

I can see the point in such policy but on practical terms I can't see it working.
18

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

23/06/2008 15:32:12
20 I think its less to do with money and more to do with taste.

If I was to buy an expensive house I wouldnt want "affordable housing" next door to me for obviuos reasons.

Surely you can understand this.
19

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23/06/2008 15:32:40
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20

Buttress,

23/06/2008 16:10:11
If you lve in a village, there's usually a great mix og housing types and prices. It seems to work. Why build exclusive enclaves only? Maybe a nurse living next door wouldn't be so very dreadful. Possibly that elderly single person on a modest income would be a kind and pleasant neighbour. Drug takers and murderers rapists come from the upper income brackets too you know...
21

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

23/06/2008 16:19:59
I hear you Buttrest but people buy exclusivity and privacy. Otherwise , whats the point ? why not buy a four bedroom with Garden in Niddrie ?

If you fork out a lot of money for a home, you dont really want the council dumping (potential) numpties beside you, do you ?

If you claim to disagree I dont believe you.
22

Kirsty Boyd-Williamson,

New Town 23/06/2008 16:28:30
What, exactly, is 'affordable housing' and why don't developers and councils not describe it by a more descriptive term such as 'low amenity tat for clerks and grocers'?
I choose to live in one of Edinburgh's better streets in order to retain a distance from the sorts of people who would expect a drinkable bottle of Sauvignon Blanc to be served at table for less than £30.
23

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

23/06/2008 16:37:31
Judging by the comments removed it is not acceptable to say that you dont want to live beside people who cant get their finger out and rely on handouts.

It's not a crime to say this. We dont all live in one big jolly socialist world you know !
24

Buttress,

23/06/2008 16:46:13
I have all manner of people living where I do. I don't mind as long as they doff their caps as we sweep past in the carriage.

I think the comments removed were a spot offensive - even - shock - rude words and the like, from the upper clarsses, of whom we would have thought better.
25

Buttress,

23/06/2008 16:48:26
Affordable housing:

http://www.homeadvantage-edinburgh.co.uk/

26

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

23/06/2008 16:49:00
:)
27

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

23/06/2008 16:58:36
Buttress allows as how:

"Drug takers and murderers rapists come from the upper income brackets too you know..."

That's true, but when richer people do these things, they're known as "eccentrics" and are regarded as adding a bit of colour to a dinner party.
28

Arfur,

23/06/2008 17:20:36
I cant say that i am spifingly well off but if i lived an a nice area and the riff raff moved in i'd be jolly annoyed.

Good day to you sir.
29

Buttress,

23/06/2008 17:33:20
Arfur - should that not hev been 'orf'?
30

Franck,

23/06/2008 17:38:44
realisticaly folks,

if you can afford one of these houses would you want some junked up prat staying in a housing association flat next door to you?

If all the flats were to be privately sold to young decent buyers then yes, this is a travesty.

But realistically the council takes most of the "affordable housing" for housing associations to house the scum of the earth (and a few nice folk as well).
31

Journalistic licence,

An unaffordable house 23/06/2008 19:09:41
This sounds great as the junkie wouldn't need to go far to break into the rich people's homes to fund their habit. Likewise, the jakey will be given a better class of bottle of wine and begin to enjoy the finer things in life. When the poor people require a solicitor to represent them in court, they can just ask their neighbour. Similarly if the solicitor is locked out, they can shout over their garden fence to the housebreaker who will come running to help with ladder in hand. Or the doctor who can't get their car started, rather than wait an hour for the AA to come out, can just give their neighbourly ned a call and he'll come and hot-wire it for them and they'll be away in two minutes. This will create a self-serving society, which will be held up as a model to the rest of the UK, which will then make it such a great place to live just like in the fifties.
32

Mr Hankey,

Edinburgh 23/06/2008 21:17:04
I work hard to enjoy pleasant surroundings why should I be punished by having neds, spongers, potential halfway houses and the like in my neighbourhood?
33

jdships,

23/06/2008 21:25:35
Surely "Affordable Housing" is only affordable once - when first built/bought .
Any one buying an "Affordable House" now will want to maximise their asset when they come to sell it .
As is their right
Therefore this is just a "merry go round" with the same problem's coming around again and again.

Sadly ,just a big con.
34

Julian.,

edinburgh 23/06/2008 22:26:41
For all those bigots full of prejudice like The Judge and others, we're talking about lower cost housing here, not housing for benefit junkies. These are for mainly respectable people earning an average wage who can't afford the overly inflated housing in Edinburgh.

And as for labelling people by the price they paid for their house, personally I meet a higher percentage of ar$eholes in expensive new builds than I do in council estates.
35

Julian.,

edinburgh 23/06/2008 22:29:16
#35 jdships,

I think you'll find their are conditions attached to these houses in terms of how long you have to stay before you can sell at full market price. Otherwise people would just move in and sell for a massive profit a few weeks later.
36

Buttress,

23/06/2008 22:47:54
Affordable housing comes in many types - see the link I posted above.
37

fresian,

Dubai 24/06/2008 04:46:58
Julian,

If you have never met ar$eholes on council estates, then you must be going there in the morning while they are still tucked up in bed. Go round at night and you'll find plenty.
38

Julian.,

edinburgh 24/06/2008 05:12:51
Fresian,

Thanks for that. I do go round at night as well. And I do meet them on Council Estates. I just meet more in certain other areas; and I'm not just talking about the ones who cause trouble in the streets. I include those who think that a little bit money somehow puts them on a higher echelon and permits them to treat you like a second class citizen. They come under the ar$ehole category as well.
39

Mallory,

Edinburgh 24/06/2008 07:59:26
Anyone want to bet that much of the present unsold luxury speculative building in Edinburgh ends up as new social housing schemes when the developers run to the Scottish Government for financial assistance?
40

jdships,

24/06/2008 09:27:28
37 Julian.,edinburgh

I truly hope you are right although I know of a couple of instances in west of Scotland where massive profit was made , legally, after three years.
I live close by this developement, at what was Trinity Cottage, and had no problems with " affordable housing" being built after the original plans were amended.
41

suse,

24/06/2008 09:54:23
some of these comments are completely ridiculous. A person earning £25k - £30k a year would qualify for "affordable housing" as their mortgage limit would be about £90k- £100k.

Hardly a dole scrounging junkie/waster/scumbag or any of the other lovely names used here but hey, you'd have to use your brain to work that one out.
42

suse,

24/06/2008 09:56:28
p.s Number 41 you have it spot on....... i think this might be happening already and are being used as short term flats for homeless people. Ask the council.
43

Watcher58,

Edinburgh 24/06/2008 10:01:48
I've got to the point where I am no longer surprised that within 5 comments, the orginal point digresses to slanging matches and wild generalisations. These developers committed to an agreement in order to get planning permission and have now reneged on the deal. Does everyone feel this is OK? Would you be happy if this happened to you in other realms of your life? It would seem it is yet another case of privilege
(literally 'private law') where the rules are being overturned when there is enough money passing under or over tables. Get a spine, LRC - uphold your own rules and stop letting these pinheads in planning permit large developers to walk all over them.
44

Listening,

24/06/2008 10:05:47
SNOBS!!

You can't decide who lives where and you shouldn't be consulted either.

Every area should be required to take affordable housing to encourage community equality. It gives the 'neds' as you call them a chance to progress and the SNOBS a bit of humble pie.
45

Palermo,

24/06/2008 10:44:01
#45 interesting comments, and agree with the first part (plus compliments on your working knowledge of Latin)

Only 2 things though, about the second half of your bit - it's CEC now (now LRC), sorry to be pedantic, and the end of the article does suggest this move was within the rules, so it was an application of existing rules (them being 'upheld' as you suggest is a good thing) rather than any 'overturning' or corruption, which you hint at. Maybe it's the rules that need looked at, not the rulers in this case?

46

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

24/06/2008 11:09:40
Listening reckons:

"Every area should be required to take affordable housing to encourage community equality. It gives the 'neds' as you call them a chance to progress and the SNOBS a bit of humble pie."

Well, where I grew up, it was largely council housing. One estate at the end of town though had a real reputation and was full of large families who were Glasgow overspill. The liberal Council thought they should spread these people round the other council estates to "bring them up to the standard of the best".

Did it work? Did it pixels. Where our close had had a stair-cleaning rota, there was dogsh1t on the stairs. There were regularly drunken knife fights at the weekend.

It's lovely to think that everyone would just rub along together, but totally at odds with reality on this planet. What actually happens is that the people who have no idea of the rules for communal living will drag the rest down by causing the polite and unspoken agreements which make things bearable to completely break down.

Sorry, but I've seen your paradise, and it doesn't even have clean shoes.
47

Neil J,

Edinburgh 24/06/2008 11:31:18
All that would happen here, if the developer built "affordable homes" in Trinity, would be that many of them would be quickly bought up by property speculators and sold on at a profit. The price would continue to rise, even in this depressed market, and it wouldn't be long before the properties were no longer be "affordable". Besides, the whole point of a property ladder is that you need to work your way up. No-one is automatically entitled to live in a nice area. These areas are desirable for a reason.
48

onecoleslaw,

my wit's end 24/06/2008 14:01:40
It's important to note that the developer would have provided 40 units on the Trinity site but will be providing 47 at the Salamander Place site. The Salamander Place site will be built much faster than those in Trinity would have been, since full price units are more lucrative to developers and there would have been no incentive for them to put the affordable units at high priority in the build schedule. Also, if the journalist had bothered to report the Development Quality Sub-Committee meeting of the 18th June properly, they would have noted that the factoring fees which would have applied to the affordable units in Trinity for the use/maintenance of the 'Victorian Walled Garden', lifts etc. would have rendered them less than affordable. So, 40 houses whent he developer gets round to it or 47 now when it matters? I agree with the Council.
49

onecoleslaw,

still at my wit's end 24/06/2008 14:09:25
The developer applied, perfectly legally, to amend a condition of a previous planning committee decision. This has just been sensationalised beyond sense.

 

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