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Published Date: 06 September 2009
A GLOBAL crackdown on bankers' pay was demanded by the world's top 20 industrial countries yesterday.
But finance ministers stopped short of a cap on salaries and bonuses at their G20 summit, saying banks themselves must act to stop massive payouts that "reward failure".

The G20 gathering in London also pledged to continue high-spending measures to boost the global economy, warning the fledging recovery was by no means assured.

Chancellor Alistair Darling had dismissed French proposals for a cap on individual bankers' bonuses as "unenforceable", but said the compromise reached should do away with pay structures which gave bankers an incentive to take excessive risks.

Darling said: "I hope we are going to enter an era where we don't have again a situation where people are being rewarded for reckless behaviour that could endanger the health of the bank they work for and the country in which they operate.

"What there was unanimity about on the part of both ministers and central bankers ... is that every single banker has to realise – whether or not they received direct state aid last year – that they wouldn't be here if it were not for the efforts made by the countries, underwritten by the taxpayer. They therefore have an obligation to make sure their pay practices are responsible and fair."

Earlier, Prime Minister Gordon Brown had said: "Pay and bonuses cannot reward failure or encourage unacceptable risk-taking. It is offensive to the general public, whose taxpayers' money in different ways has helped stop many banks from collapsing and is now underpinning their recovery."

But International Monetary Fund chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn said more could have been done to limit bankers pay, saying: "There is broad agreement on what to do. The problem is we need to go beyond agreement. We need to have concrete measures."

After taking stock of the economic situation ahead of this month's summit of G20 leaders in Pittsburgh, the finance ministers agreed to continue expansionary monetary and fiscal policies to support their economies until recovery is secured. They said they would develop co-ordinated "exit strategies" to deal with public deficits once the recession is over.


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1

Mèths,

05/09/2009 21:40:05
"Darling said: "I hope we are going to enter an era where we don't have again a situation where people are being rewarded for reckless behaviour"

How about yer expenses then?
2

Cynicus Unbound,

06/09/2009 00:24:52
'"Darling said: "I hope we are going to enter an era where we don't have again a situation where people are being rewarded for reckless behaviour"

How about yer expenses then?'-#1, Mèths

There is nothing reckless about the expenses claims of Darling, Salmond or any other of the 90% of Westminster MPs caught with tarry fingers.

The paperwork has all been punctiliously fiddled.
3

Tynietiger,

06/09/2009 00:47:46
Lets not forget it was Gordon Brown lax regulation of the Banking system that allowed the Banks to go crazy.

Speech by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, the Rt Hon Gordon Brown MP, to Mansion House (20th June 2007 from HM Treasury Web Site)
I congratulate you Lord Mayor and the City of London on these remarkable achievements, an era that history will record as the beginning of a new golden age for the City of London.
And I believe the lesson we learn from the success of the City has ramifications far beyond the City itself - that we are leading because we are first in putting to work exactly that set of qualities that is needed for global success:
And I believe it will be said of this age, the first decades of the 21st century, that out of the greatest restructuring of the global economy, perhaps even greater than the industrial revolution, a new world order was created.
4

Observer,,

Glasgow 06/09/2009 00:59:16
Erm why are we ''asking'' the bankers to please be nice and not pay themselves loads of money. We own half the bleeding things and the other half are only on their feet because we gave them loads of money.

It can't just be me that thinks this whole situation is nuts.

Why are we letting bankers call the shots?
5

Anthony,

Glasgow 06/09/2009 01:03:46
Why have bankers ever attracted the sort of money they have?

Think about it - they are given - yes given, they commodity they trade in - money, by the government either free or more commonly at extremely preferential rates. They are then given a license to lend that to us at much higher rates.

And if they manage to mess up this arrangement, which your average secondary school project class could cope with comfortably, they are underwritten by us the taxpayer and bailed out at our expense!

Honestly where's the risk or expertise?

This has been an old boys and old girls scam that we have allowed to run for far too long.
6

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 06/09/2009 01:24:13

At least the banking system is being scrutinized, after all their years of a 'free-for-all' bonuses scenario, and no thought of consequences, to lending money for their own grotesque profit making, that ended in dire economic downfall.

7

Itchy,

06/09/2009 01:57:00
This whole farce is an excuse to place the banks under full state control - Fascist style.

8

Letters From Muscat,

edinburgh 06/09/2009 03:08:20
Perhaps the top bankers see them selves as underpaid in relation to footballers and top film stars? Beats me why they need so many millions, but they do like to keep up with the Joneses, but that's the whole point of the matter, 1 million quid is probably not enough, not when the likes of the Beckham chappie is earning even more, suppose it is all relevant. Beats me all the same......... but how many shirts does one need? how many houses? how many holidays? how many meals? , and there was I feeling sorry for those homeless sods I saw sheltering in the freezing rain, last Thursday, cowering in dirty doorways, in George the fourth Bridge, Edinburgh, not one hundred yards away from the former headquarters of what used to be our own Bank of Scotland.... Someone PLEASE explain to me why there are so many inequalities in this life? Or is that the way it always is? Extremely rich, and obscenely poor, side by side and us suckers in the middle, taxed to the hilt. And I am not against reward for real talent, but what we have now is wrong. That French politician, the brainy grey- haired female with masses of style, she put it very well, when interviewd with the mighty Wark. Newsnight last Thursday I think.
9

Letters From Muscat,

edinburgh 06/09/2009 03:22:15
Interviewed By Wark. But come the next election, the journalists should have plenty of amunition to ' fire' at the old pollies, it will be very interesting to witness them squirming in the TV spotlight. How about a Question Time panel of Bankers? with the dreaded Dimbleby in the chair? never mind the leaders, lets have the top money boys taking the heat. Well, we own them don't we? or is that another convenient illusion. No I don't suppose that would ever happen, to near the truth, might make the old boys feel a tad uncomfortable...........I don't even know who to vote for. The whole set- up is corny, one lot get in for ten years, then the other lot take a turn, then they screw up then what are we left with? Too much bloomin surveillance for a start. Now let's have some more scrutiny of the top boys. And reform of the salary structure. Expenses? Oh, we are back to square one. Perhaps the politicians were feeling hard done by in comparison with the city boys. For goodness sake, what am I saying, I have gone right round in circles, which is exactly what the bloomin bankers did with their credit swop derivatives and other vague financial instruments they conjured up. Please sir, where do I study to become a banker? Is there a special college that I should enroll at? What, I have to be good at doing sums?
10

Warden Resurrected,

06/09/2009 04:51:42
Please mister rich banker don't take big sums of money. Not much of a stick and it doesn't have any nails in the end.
11

Willie Macleod,

Wick 06/09/2009 04:59:33
#4 Observer You are not alone in thinking the whole situation is nuts
#9 &10 Great posts I look forward to reading more of your letters muscat
12

Warden Resurrected,

06/09/2009 05:10:13
9-These are not even the super rich you are talking about. What you are talking about keep our eyes away from them.
13

Ggordon,

06/09/2009 07:24:17


Some of the lower paid staff, not on the sell, sell, racket, receive as little as £12,000 a year, full-time.

Back room processors. For example in the Kyle Centre.

Pay very inequal. Between the top and the bottom
14

ih8hibs,

06/09/2009 09:27:25
Nothing will happen as they are the paymasters of the political parties and the politicians bolt hole once they have been found out.
15

Jings MacCrivvens,

06/09/2009 09:30:44
" International Monetary Fund chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn said more could have been done to limit bankers pay,"

But our Liebore vankers won'y upset the bankers!!
16

Ggordon,

06/09/2009 09:35:58

15 ih8hibs


Rothschilds etc, etc no doubt big donations to influence policies Think Murdochs manipulation of the media/press. Far too much power to influence elections.

Murdoch International and co taken a big hit with credit crunch. Lose billions. Billions in debt.
17

Queen D,

06/09/2009 09:50:46
" dreaded Dimbleby"?
Surely you mean dreadful?
And Wark!
These two names earn mega bucks from you and me through the TV tax, and I find them both to be
" impartial" politically speaking! Hah! Bl**dy Hah!

Speaking of an "impartial" BBBC anyone see the ICM poll in the Guardian ( Impartial newspaper with no axe to grind ,merely carries all gov.job ads and all BBBC job ads) which says we all love Auntie Beeb and find her honest , impartial and value for money?

It strikes me that there is a bit of nepotism going on amongst the great and the good, where they have sons and daughters automatic entrance into the club and all " outsiders " kept just there - outside!
I have visions of these parties where they all tell each other how wonderful. talented and clever they all are , while the public mutters threateningly
18

Ggordon,

06/09/2009 09:53:33
18

Agree totally
19

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 06/09/2009 09:59:21
Reconcile "G20 urges fat cat pay crackdown" with "But International Monetary Fund chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn said more could have been done to limit bankers pay, saying: "There is broad agreement on what to do. The problem is we need to go beyond agreement. We need to have concrete measures."

Nail hit right on the head. Where Brown and Darling think that merely stating something is "getting the job done", Mr Kahn has recognised that they need to get out more and actually finish the job. If that means ceiling on pay and bonuses then why not? When the Brown stuff was hitting the fan last year, the mood was so ugly bankers would have been lucky to escape with a lamp post and some piano wire. They talk as if the banks belong to someone else yet a huge swathe of UK banking is now government owned.

Does anyone else share my puzzlement at how Brown and Darling want an end to reckless decision-making in the banking sector, yet are happy to use the old and very failed system of "hands-off" control?
20

Ggordon,

06/09/2009 10:00:04

One slight concession, don't know about impartiality, but Dimbleby has a love of Scotland comes here a lot walking etc.

BBC reports to please their boss, the government, in order to keep their jobs. Step out of line at their peril. Just ask Dykes.

21

Ggordon,

06/09/2009 10:01:21

Know Dykes is a Labour supporter. The New Labour mafia is alive and well.
22

Ggordon,

06/09/2009 10:06:45

20 The Former Angry Young Man

Plenty to be angry about.

Obama has. He introduced legislation to limit and tax (50%) bankers bonuses in bailed out banks in America.

Only trouble humans very creative, can reorganise their emuneration, especially if self decided. Think MP's

23

For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 06/09/2009 11:12:17
Isn't it amazing, that not one of these politicians consider themselves fat-cats.
24

Anthony,

Glasgow 06/09/2009 11:38:19
9) Muscat - you ask why there are so many inequalities. It's a good question, and the answer I feel is quite complex.

But, I think I can answer more directly why in my opinion, Britain is so inequal - with one of the very worst poverty rates in the developed World, and with by far the biggest disparity between rich and poor amongst the European leading economies.

We have what amounts to socioeconomic apartheid. Not just laws which bear down disproportionately heavily on the poor. As a resent report found, whole professions are set up to deter people from poorer backgrounds being able to enter them. This closed shop arrangement for the upper middle classes is seen as fine by the political establishment.

You see this very much alive near the top end of banking too. It is part of the problem.

We also have a myriad of bodies in Britain which make lots of money from poverty. Whilst the phoney-left have been played like a banjo into supporting the mass migration of labour to undercut the earnings of the working to lower middle classes, under the delusion that they are supporting 'equality'. Rather they are supporting a tool of the ruling classes.

It is an ugly stinking arrangement, and only a political 4000 volt electric shock up the backsides of the political establishment, has any prospect of changing it.
25

suileandubh,

06/09/2009 11:56:50
4
Observer,,
you have to wonder don't you? Is it because Broon's on the world stage and wants to do something to keep them sweet? they have been a huge part of the problem in this whole 'recession' thing. Greedy banks.
26

Ggordon,

06/09/2009 12:07:20
26

New Labour funded by supermarkets owners and firms how need/have Banking connections (i.e. funds). Influence is brought to break to decide policy.

Thatcherite/New Labour will not cut off it's own energy supply.
27

Ggordon,

06/09/2009 12:16:18

Influence is brought to 'bear'. Even
28

ToniSwiss,

A Neutral Location 06/09/2009 13:04:19
The collective noun for a group of bankers? ............ a WUNCH!! (tee hee)
29

Letters From Muscat,

edinburgh 06/09/2009 13:14:58
Thank you Anthony for your full explanation . Do the focus groups read these threads? They certainly should. What is the answer, if that is the question? Short of a revolt of the peasants! I kind of class myself as an educated person, I keep tabs on what is going on in the various comments sections of the main newspapers, suppose we willall have to wait on the boss calling the next election and see through all their policies, if that is possible. Will there be a TV debate? Should we all insist on one? Will it be rigged? Questions on the remuneration of those at the top in the public sector; education, jobs for teachers, class sizes, the Health service, Afghanistan and the mounting death toll, a tally of Afghans killed? we never hear that figure announced, Green issues, swine flue, non existant now? gone off the headlines for a week or so the money spent blowing up parts of the Middle East could have built umpteen hospitals , houses and schools.
30

rickypop,

It is up to us 06/09/2009 13:40:52
If everyone refused to pay their loans or mortgages, until a pay agreement was reached that satisfies US. Then we would see action.
With the power of the net, combined action by the public on one bank after another would cause chaos.
Withdraw your savings....refuse to pay your loan, overdraft & or mortgage. Demand your salary/wage in cash..
They have the power, but not as much as they think.
The banks have conned us all into debt which we have to pay. we are now bailing them out with tax money & they are still paying each other a life times wages as a bonus.
Sounds silly but it would work.
31

A Crofter,

Arce of Avarice 06/09/2009 14:11:56
Dear Chief Piggy Banker,

I am delighted to inform you that your board members may now return to their troughs, where they may continue to stuff their bellies in the traditional manner – just as long as they keep a record of the quantities of swill consumed. You will also be pleased to learn that your offshore operations may carry on as before.

It is very likely that my own employment contract will soon be terminated, and I wonder if any lucrative positions in your company might be open.

Ever yours,

A Darling
32

Scottyboy007,

Glasgow 06/09/2009 14:17:11
4# The trouble is the love of Money corrupts. You will never stop it. Since the beginning of time until the end of time money will still corrupt. The G20 group is a farce and they are only posturing for the masses. The biggest fear all politicians have is people power. If people get that angry they will rise up and take the power away from the politician. Not only has the ordinary man in the street bailed out the Banks but note now how WE now need to pay for it.
Nothing has changed from "The Ragged Trousered Philanthropist" As a Wise man once said, "Nothing Changes under the Sun"
33

Traquìr,

Alba 06/09/2009 14:57:55
I wonder if Brown's bonus slap down will include his own staff ?

"Fury as civil servants scoop record bonuses"

"TREASURY officials who oversaw the Northern Rock debacle and the onset of the credit crunch have been rewarded with record bonuses"

see - tinyurl.com/55jcvj
34

Observer,,

Glasgow 06/09/2009 15:18:18
31 There are alternatives to banks. I use mine simply for getting my salary paid into, every other financial arrangement I have including my savings is done through a Credit Union.

Why do we keep on giving them our money? It's insane.
35

Observer,,

Glasgow 06/09/2009 15:21:37
33 People have themselves fallen for the consumerist myth which leads huge numbers of them to be reliant on credit, up to their eyeballs in debt, and a pay cheque away from poverty.

They are as good as wage slaves in that condition, I despair when I see 20 somethings taking out £100 grand mortgages. They think they are buying a lifestyle but what they are buying is serfdom.
36

IainGlasgow,

06/09/2009 15:56:22
How about a crackdown on the international crime syndicate i.e. the Rockerfellers and the Rothschilds and the people making their dodgy snake oil vaccines.

Though I guess thse people are pulling the strings of the G20 so no chance of that happening.
37

Scottyboy007,

Glasgow 06/09/2009 16:12:19
37# Accually I dont think you are far off the mark. There are 13 families at the top of the worldwide Illuminati organization and most are members of the world's big banking dynasties as well as certain "royal" families.

The Illuminati is a group that practices a form of faith known as "enlightenment". It is Luciferian, and they teach their followers that their roots go back to the ancient mystery religions of Babylon, Egypt, and Celtic druidism. They have taken what they consider the "best" of each, the foundational practices, and joined them together into a strongly occult discipline. Many groups at the local level worship ancient deities such as "El", "Baal", and "Ashtarte", as well as "Isis and Osiris" and "Set".
Age: 31

The "Supreme World Council" is already set up as a prototype of the one that will rule when the New World Order comes into being. It meets on a regular basis to discuss finances, direction, policy, etc. and to problem-solve difficulties that come up. Once again, these leaders are heads in the financial world, OLD banking money. The Rothschild family in England, and in France, have ruling seats. A descendant of the Hapsburg dynasty has a generational seat. A descendant of the ruling families of England and France have a generational seat. The Rockefeller family in the US holds a seat.
38

Scottyboy007,

Glasgow 06/09/2009 16:19:11
37# Who do you think is behind Procter & Gamble ? Yes Rothschild and Rockefeller. People trying to investigate deeply this organisation have came to a sad ending.
39

Boab,

Glasgow 06/09/2009 19:02:31
Why spend £1.2 trillion on bank bail-outs and have to pay out gigantic salaries as well? Someone on minimum wage could lose our money far more cheaply.
40

lulach mac gille coemgain,

06/09/2009 20:33:46
I love these comedy shows - they are just so zany

now whats on the G20 channel next week ?
41

Scottyt,

Saint Paul, Usa 06/09/2009 20:46:52
You have to love the second paragraph in this article!!!!

As if things are ever going to change; "the G20 ministers stopped short of putting a cap on huge salaries and bonuses"!!!!!!

Politicians, you've got to love them.
42

Scotindy,

Los Angeles 12/09/2009 07:59:25
Sorry guys;;;;;; HA Ha ha ha ha ha

 

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