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Published Date: 02 June 2009
THE number of people visiting Princes Street has dropped by nearly a fifth and more than half of city centre parking spaces are standing empty, a gloomy new economic report has revealed.
The full impact of tram works in the city centre has been laid bare by new council statistics, which show an 18.7 per cent fall in pedestrians on the city's main shopping street in the year to March.

Nearby George Street has had a near tripling in pedestrians with the switching of buses there from Princes Street.

But the ongoing roadworks and traffic diversions also appear to be putting drivers off, with 60 per cent of available city centre parking spaces lying empty during March, up from 50 per cent in March last year.

Edinburgh was already lagging behind other UK cities on the number of people visiting its busiest shopping streets before the tram project started.

It is hoped a string of new hotels and shops planned for Princes Street, along with the lifting of major tram works by November, will give the city centre a boost.

City leaders today said the figures were "disappointing but perhaps not unexpected".

Local councillors said the statistics illustrated the damage being done to the heart of the Capital.

SNP city centre councillor David Beckett said: "I think everyone is aware of how much the city centre is suffering and these figures just illustrate just how much people are being put off coming to the area. This is one of the reasons I am against the tram project.

"Unlike the arguments put forward by the project's proponents, I don't think all of this disruption will be worth it in the long term.

"Businesses are closing and people are voting with their feet."

Councillor Tom Buchanan, the city's economic development leader, said: "It's likely the changes in footfall are because of the closure of Princes Street to traffic. This becomes clear when you look at figures for George Street which has seen an unprecedented 192.9 per cent increase in pedestrian activity.

"We will soon see work get under way for a number of exciting developments across the city centre but that initial investment in change can be challenging for residents and visitors."


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1

Leila,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 11:44:18
I'm told that the notices on Princes Street bus stops saying they will be closed until November 2009, have now been changed to "closed until further notice".
2

Incandescent,

02/06/2009 12:04:42
"But the ongoing roadworks and traffic diversions also appear to be putting drivers off, with 60 per cent of available city centre parking spaces lying empty during March, up from 50 per cent in March last year."

Surely the realisation of CEC's dreams?

No?

...but I thought...

Oh, nevermind.
3

alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 02/06/2009 12:05:16
Nice to know i will get a parking space in the city now.
4

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02/06/2009 12:07:53
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5

vote them out,

02/06/2009 12:09:04

Anyone seen any honeybees this summer.
6

FF,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 12:10:51
Is it possible that the reason why there are fewer pedestrians in Princes Street and more in George Street is because the buses have moved? All they ever wanted to do was to get on a bus.
7

Fredster.,

02/06/2009 12:12:23
#5

Thats superb. lol
8

Mince Pie Supper,

02/06/2009 12:13:14
Great, once Princess Street re-opens we can shut it again to build hotels.
9

The Judge,

02/06/2009 12:13:55
SNP city centre councillor David Beckett said: "I think everyone is aware of how much the city centre is suffering and these figures just illustrate just how much people are being put off coming to the area. This is one of the reasons I am against the tram project.

So why did you sign up to The SNP/Lib Dem collation that was throwing £600m away on a tramLINE to no-where David? The lure of power just too much to resist was it? Typical SNP councillor, stood on a no tramLINE manifesto but was happy enough to take the keys to the executive bathroom when the time came.

The Cheerleader wanted to be Deptuty Leader so screw the voters. The SNP group must take their share of the blame & suffer the consequences at the next election.
10

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 12:15:39
News Flash!!!!

Princes Street has not been Edinburgh's busiest shopping street for years. The Begg/Lazarowicz madness put paid to that.

It's hardly surprising that people are not wlaking down Princes Street. Those completely over-the-top barriers are an eyesore and in order to make progress walking, you have to spend half your time doubling back on yourself.

Get rid of the barriers and replace them with normal, low fences, opened up to allow pedestrians to cross the road.

It seems that with this daft project, Edinburgh Council have finally achieved what they have strived for all these years---killing the city centre.
11

Mince Pie Supper,

02/06/2009 12:18:45
Bring back John Menzies
12

Incandescent,

02/06/2009 12:20:36
#11 Roll on John Menzies!! Top shelf is best!!
13

Hector the Red,

02/06/2009 12:21:20
#9 - The Judge

Drunk again I see!
14

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02/06/2009 12:24:00
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Randan,

02/06/2009 12:26:32
#9 The SNP wanted to cancel the trams you doughnut.
And I am not an SNP supporter.
16

Mince Pie Supper,

02/06/2009 12:26:52
14

Kilmathinnick does not exist
17

The Judge,

02/06/2009 12:32:47
#15 The SNP are building the tramLINE and they are in overall control of Tie. Of course they can play party politics "we're the only party against the trams" but ultimately, along with The Lib Dems, they are responsible for this mess.

But hey never mind The Cheerleader got his moment in the sun & a wee bit of power and like sheep the rest of The SNP Group went along with him. It's a bit late in the day to complain about a project you're responsible for.
18

AntiEdinburghWhingers,

02/06/2009 12:43:41
Umm, surely the vast proportion of these pedestrians 'lost' from Princes Street is a result of the buses shifting to George Street - as highlighted by the TRIPLING of pedestrians on that street... That must therefore mean that ALL of these pedestrians were using Princes Street for access to buses and NOT for 'economic activity'...

In fact, if there was a tripling of pedestrian traffic on George Street, and only an 18% drop on Princes Street, does that not open the possibility that in fact MORE people are going to Princes Street to use the shops than before?

An example: 100,000 pedestrians on Princes Street before, 20,000 on George Street. Say 40,000 of those on Princes Street were only on the street in order to access the buses, they then switch to George Street, tripling that street's pedestrian numbers. This leaves only 60,000 on Princes Street, but in fact there was a drop of only 18%, meaning 78,000 people using Princes Street for the shops compared to only 60,000 before.

Lies, damn lies and statistics... They can be twisted by lazy journalists to show anything!

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AntiEdinburghWhingers,

02/06/2009 12:44:24
Woops third paragraph should read as follows:

An example: 100,000 pedestrians on Princes Street before, 20,000 on George Street. Say 40,000 of those on Princes Street were only on the street in order to access the buses, they then switch to George Street, tripling that street's pedestrian numbers. This leaves only 60,000 on Princes Street, but in fact there was a drop of only 18%, meaning 82,000 people using Princes Street for the shops compared to only 60,000 before.
20

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 12:45:54
With such a drop in the use of City Centre parking surely it is time to save some money by making a number of traffic wardens redundant?

21

Mince Pie Supper,

02/06/2009 12:46:06
18

In fact, if there was a tripling of pedestrian traffic on George Street, and only an 18% drop on Princes Street, does that not open the possibility that in fact MORE people are going to Princes Street to use the shops than before?

No
22

Noods,

02/06/2009 12:46:44
#17 I can't work out if you are a WUM or if you actually believe the rubbish you're writing.
23

AntiEdinburghWhingers,

02/06/2009 12:46:51
Oh, and there is this thing called an economic downtown as well... The fact that the chains present on Princes Street are not exactly doing splendidly well across the whole country implies it's not just the trams to blame... Unless you're an Evening News Reader or SNP Councillor, of course, in which the trams are to blame for everything!
24

tsongkhapa,

EDINBURGH 02/06/2009 12:47:49
THERE ARE MORE IMPORTANT ISSUES LIKE TRAFFIC JAMS CAUSED BY PUTTING TRAFFIC LIGHTS AT ROUNDABOUTS, DOG EXCREMENT ON THE STREETS AND VIOLENT DRUNKS SMOKING OUTSIDE PUBS. EDINBURGH IS A LITTLE CITY WITH AN OVERSTATED SENSE OF SELF-IMPORTANCE. HAD THE PARLIAMENT BEEN PLACED IN DALKEITH OR GLASGOW, THE CHARM AND BEAUTY OF EDINBURGH COULD HAVE BEEN PRESERVED.

ENJOY THE SUN. THE TRAMS ARE GOING AHEAD.
25

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02/06/2009 12:50:06
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Foo,

02/06/2009 12:50:13
What #24 said.
27

Mince Pie Supper,

02/06/2009 12:56:12
I blame the Trams!
28

Realist,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 12:58:04
Well there is a surprise.

I used to shop every week in the city centre and come in on the bus but i now drive to the Gyle, Craigleith or Kinnaird Park where there is plenty of free parking

I for one won't be returning to the city centre to shop now that i have discovered that i can get everything elsewhere.
29

Incandescent,

02/06/2009 13:01:14
#24 "ENJOY THE SUN."

Yes. Over the past few days I've seen evidence emerging of CEC's much-vaunted "cafe culture".

Actually, it's more like "chave culture" but it's a start I suppose.
30

Mince Pie Supper,

02/06/2009 13:01:47
I'm sure a nice wee trip on a Tram will entice us out of our retail parks.

Hmm. Don't think so.

Long live the retail parks, and Amazon.
31

scotsol,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 13:02:19
#18 and #19 - exactly. And am I the only one who remembers that the Princes Street traders have reported INCREASED footfall in their shops (EENs passim)?
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02/06/2009 13:03:38
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PaulB,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 13:23:20
I think the sun must have got to you all - I have NEVER heard such a load of miserable whingeing in my life - you sad people. Try and look positively on things for a change.
34

Mince Pie Supper,

02/06/2009 13:36:26
33

NEVER heard such whingeing, surely you don't come from Edinburgh then.

Roll on the diggers, Edinburgh is Top deck.
35

sceptic,

livingston 02/06/2009 14:40:29
Great to hear that the numbers of people foolish enough to shop in the city centre are reducing. Inspect the goods at Straiton or the Gyle, if necessary, buy cheaper on line as convenient, leave the city to Gorgie Tony and his ilk to run the gauntlet of the Big Issue con men, the druggies and the chavs.
36

Bambo,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 14:40:47
Look for the positives.

Walking through the Princes St Gardens a couple of weekends back when the tram works were silent was lovely. The air felt clean, there was no noise from the usual masses of traffic (or the silent diggers and so on) and even the usual drunks seemed to have been diverted elsewhere. It did help me appreciate that if (BIG 'if' and it depends on the many moaners giving up on their petrol addictions) the trams do reduce cars on the roads in the centre then we will enjoy the benefits.

Those who now say they shop in out of town centres. Don't use that as a moaning stick to hit the tram works with. Pat yourself on the back instead. Those very centres were put there to reduce pressure on the centre. Looks like some of you might be getting to grips with some of this.

Also, finally. During an economically gloomy period don't be surprised if people do shop less and visit city centres in fewer numbers. It's just a little bit inevitable. On the upside, weren't public building works like the tram being encouraged a wee while ago as stimulus to the larger economy?

For now, enjoy the sun and the peace and quiet; walk to work, catch a bus or get on your bike (I'll wait for the replies to that). xx
37

Tram in a headline will sell papers,

02/06/2009 14:47:31
This article should read.....

'Tram works drive one fifth of pedestrians off Princes Street' is the view of me, a bored journalist who hasn't written about the trams for a few days.

'and more than half of city centre parking spaces are standing empty, a gloomy new economic report has revealed' compared to exactly half standing empty last year at the same time a gloomy economic report a year ago reported.

Buses have moved to George Street so people getting off them now walk on George Street.

SNP city centre councillor David Beckett said: "I think everyone is aware of how much the city centre is suffering and these figures just illustrate just how much people are being put off coming to the area. This is one of the reasons I am against the tram project", I am also against the making of omlettes as a report came out recently saying that eggs require to be broken.

In my next in depth article I shall completely ignore the Worldwide downturn in the economy and blame all negative reports regarding Edinburgh on the tram.

This huge news story features amongst the other top stories in Edinburgh today: -
- Bees stolen (they couldn't even get sting into the headline...COME ON!)
- Girl makes dress

Yawn yawn yawn..............




38

Incandescent,

02/06/2009 14:48:52
#37 Bambo

"xx"?

What the deuce? You're not writing a "txt" to your significant other, you know.
39

taxiedin,

EDINBURGH 02/06/2009 14:52:16
do they still want to take buses and taxis of princes street when the trams are running ?
40

Bambo,

02/06/2009 14:52:26
Incandescent

x just for you
41

Leila,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 14:59:14
#38: making omelettes is only worthwhile if anyone needs to eat - otherwise the breaking of eggs is a waste.
42

tomias,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 15:06:00
It is and always was a North Korean plot to destablise the western northern hemisphere.
See restaraunts etc., Society is being derailed by this plot.
next princes Street gardens for an underground explosive test. Roackets from the Castle; watch out it is coming!
Ho ho Chee Chee min for Provost-provost for life !
43

tomias,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 15:07:22
Number 5; the Kirk is after all the Queens this year !
44

Scrapthetramline,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 15:12:48
#17 So which of the money wasting, snouts in the trough parties do you suggest we vote for?? They all speak for the trams except the SNP who still carry on and vote in favour anyway.

Edinburgh needs the rule of intelligent independents with no previous party allegiances to save the city from this disaster. Failing that, the SNP should dissolve the pact, stand by their manifesto and pledge NEVER to enter into a power sharing agreement no matter what. Maybe then we will have a party to vote for who will put an end to this madness and wanton destruction.

Why is there no option on a voting form to record that you refuse to vote for any of the candidates. Then you would really see how the ordinary people feel. I'm willing to bet turnouts would go up considerably !!
45

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 15:19:36
I wonder how Edinburgh's tram wonder will affect the tourist trade and festival this year - surely an 18% drop in visitors will be the business equivalent of a small nuclear bomb explosion in Edinburgh.
46

THE BPRENTICE,

02/06/2009 15:40:42
I can see the day when the people responsible for voting for the whole tram thing will be hounded just like fred goodwin.

seriously.
47

newyearsday73 ,

whats left of leith walk 02/06/2009 15:41:16
ediburgh city centre-R.I.P.
48

roadstohell,

02/06/2009 15:45:30
What is most worrying, and I don't think has been mentioned so far, is the serious loss of parking revenue to Council!!!!!!

I wonder what that amounts to ? a tidy sum I would wager.

49

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 15:46:52
#47 THE BPRENTICE,

"..... voting for the whole tram thing will be hounded just like fred goodwin."

Well, I see that you have already stripped him of his knighthood (well done). Now let's sort out the tram voters.

50

Dragonlord,

02/06/2009 16:12:30
With a huge black hole in council finances, how will they cope with no money in the parking meters?
51

Andrew,

02/06/2009 16:19:19
para 5 says it all! "Edinburgh was already lagging behind other UK cities../././././..BEFORE THE TRAM PROJECT STARTED"!!!!!!
Thanks to the numerous bus diversions, I've discovered a wonderful array of shops/cafes and the new & totally diverse shopping experience to be had on 'superior' George Street, away from the 'tacky buzz' of Princes Street!
Why is parking still allowed down the middle of George Street? Answer, because many of the "It's my God given right" and/or otherwise lazy drivers can hardly walk the length of themselves these days! Long may the buses be routed this way, to leave Princes Street 'free' for the trams!! Now there's a thought! FREE TRAM TRAVEL!!
52

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 16:24:22
#52 Andrew,

"Why is parking still allowed down the middle of George Street?"

Answer: Because superior people park there.

Seriously though you're quite right the pubs, restuarants and shops in George Street (not to mention Queens Street, etc) are way superior to the many tacky and useless shops inhabiting Princes Street.

53

calum,

02/06/2009 17:07:32
#35 - Whatever head you have on today, whatever character you're trying to put over, whatever disguise you're trying on or whatever medication you need to take, the inexorable conclusion to make about you is that you are a complete nutter.
54

Euan,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 17:23:26
The longer this shambolic project is allowed to continue, there will be fewer and fewer people wanting to come into Edinburgh city centre.

Shops and businesses have been suffering due to a lack of footfall for some time now as a result of the tram insanity.

You can also bet that city centre parking ticket revenue (which brings in millions for the council every year) will have taken a sharp hit as well - and whose going to have to make up the shortfall here?, oh yes, the local taxpayer.

This tram project is going to end up costing this city dearly in so many different ways it's unbelievable.

Sadly, with the The City of Edinburgh staring into an enormous financial black hole in terms of funding, the worst of the cuts to services and civil amenities are yet to come..

..and the tram project will play a huge factor in the continued downfall and potential complete bankruptcy of this once great capital city as long as those in charge of this fiasco desperately try and hold on to the blinkered transport 'visions' they somehow manage to store in their tiny brains.

it is still not too late to call a halt to this madness.

Common sense must prevail.



55

AB_R,

02/06/2009 17:36:18
The current issue of Private Eye has a small piece about the Edinburgh tram.

I now look forward to the next issue of Private Eye to read the "comments" from the pro-tram lobby.
56

Andrew,

02/06/2009 18:01:40
55)! The true 'madness' is that ALL Britain's cities abandoned their tram networks in the mid-to-late 1950s and early 1960 as obsolete, when there WAS NO forward transport vision whatsoever (unless you drove a car)! Remember that almost the entire rail network at that time was still STEAM operated! LOOK AT IT NOW!!
TRAM SYSTEMS were actually truly "eco-friendly" well before the term was even invented, being electrically driven - in the days of the killer smogs and dangerous industrial pollution par excellence - BUT WERE ALL IN DIRE NEED OF TOTAL MODERNISATION and comprehensive refurbishment for the late 1960/70s onwards! However, ALL (apart for the tourist shooglies in Blackpool) were abandoned to the car/bus faternity! HOW TIMES and eco/
environmental 'concerns' SO RAPIDLY CHANGE! I'm glad I can (just) remember those 1st generation trams in the UK (Edinburgh/Glasgow etc) and I'm equally glad to still be here to (hopefully) witness their renaissance, as with the revitalising, 'electrifying' proposals for the railways of the UK - particularly in Scotland - ie Airdrie-Bathgate, Glasgow-Edinburgh via Falkirk & Cumbernauld and the Stirling/Dunblane/Alloa triangle!
Better late than never!
57

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 18:01:52
#56 AB_R,

The Edinburgh tram IS a small piece, but at an exorbitantly high price (and rising we can all safely bet).

58

regentlad,

Lothian 02/06/2009 18:07:28
47: Those councillors who voted for the tram line know full well there are no local elections this year, if there had of been I believe they'd have stopped the project to save their skins.

Those that came around the doors canvassing for the Euro elections had these reactions when questioned about the money being spent on the tram project:

Lib-dem: They thought the project had been cancelled last year during the dispute with the German firm.
Labour: The guy assured me 'everyone in Edinburgh' would benefit from the tram-line. When I pointed out to him the line (when it opens) will only go between Airport and Newhaven he replied not to worry as all of Edinburgh will have trams 'in the next couple of years'! The other parties who voted for the tram line, the Greens and Tories didn't appear nor did they send out any leaflets.

Trust Edinburgh won't forget and there is opportunity on Thursday to snub those parties responsible for the tram madness - Labour, Lib-dem, Tory and Greens.
59

regentlad,

Lothian 02/06/2009 18:35:11
57: Not so certain of that Andrew. When scrapped in the 1950's Edinburgh's tram network was one of the most modern in the U.K., Edinburgh adopted electric trams in 1922 - quite late compared to other cities. Much of the fleet was 'home built' at Shrubhill, when the tram system closed in 1956 some trams sent for scrap were only 5 years old! The Tory Council claimed the tram system had to go as the trams caused traffic congestion in Edinburgh. However I believe the real reason for tram abandonment was the demographics of that era. When housing areas such as Silverknowes, Oxgangs, Clermiston, The Inch etc were built it was easy (and cheap) to extend the bus services into them - so that's exactly what the Council did. An example was the no.16 tram which stopped at Braids - it was replaced by the no.16 bus which covered the old tram route but was extended at either end to serve the new housing areas.

The present day Council will find (to their cost) that if demographics change or don't turn out as they had planned along the Airport to Newhaven route then they'll be left with a white elephant. You can't suddenly divert a tram in response to population movements but you can a bus.
60

eDUCATIon,

02/06/2009 20:44:48
Roll on swine flu!!! Gorgie Tonys chest is best!!!
61

Spanish jambo,

Opposite a guy who builds trams in Spain 02/06/2009 20:52:42
Newsflash:

Read your EEN for the up-to-the-minute Tram and SNP slatings.
An objective,impartial and exciting read for all those who've won a bit o' dosh, passed their finals or just started bonking a decent bit o' chad and wishing to get their feet back firmly on the ground!
62

Fluffy,

edinburgh 02/06/2009 21:27:22
why would u want to shop in princes street? u can ony cross where ure told to - the shops are half empty and the sign at each end 'welcome to princes street' cracks me up - ure point is council????
63

iazinsascot,

kettering 02/06/2009 22:11:08
I left edinburgh, to my regret, 40 years ago! but I visit as often as I can.
what's the whingeing about the loss of 18% of pedestrians? has nobody heard of the depression?
here in england, looking around the towns and cities at all the empty stores, shops , and half-empty malls,most places would be glad if business had only reduced 18%!
I remember the last tram running along Princes Street, and I used to have the photo from the edition of the EEN.
I think it was the 20 and 21 that ran, one to Joppa, and the other to Levenhall, BUT THEY RAN! come hell or high water! no problems with fog, snow or ice - just lift the seat and pour sand on to the drive wheels to give traction; and you could get off in the middle of the street without getting killed in those days!
so come on Edinburgh! stop whingeing! you've got a hell of a lot going for you so be proud of what you are,and what you represent.
_
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Julian.,

edinburgh 02/06/2009 22:55:02
Euan,

Of course you can spin the facts to suit any position...as you have done.

We could also look at it this way. Princes Street has lost a fifth of it's pedestrians but George Street has 3 times as many. That's not bad overall in the current climate...surely that's an overall pedestrian increase, isn't it? Also, there are less cars parking in the city centre. That's a good thing isn't it? I always thought The Council were supposed to discourage people taking their cars into the centre of town.
65

Cramondo,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 23:16:03
Here I am in a foreign city that has a tram system, and it's great, fast, easy to use, hard to get lost, much easier than a bus. Once the trams are running in Edinburgh, people will love them.

As for the person who described the trams as going "to nowhere". Leith is nowhere, Princes Street is nowhere, the airport is nowhere. Right enough.
66

Julian.,

edinburgh 02/06/2009 23:22:44
#67,

Yes, that going to nowhere quote is just am example of the usual nonsense put out by the anti-tram brigade. A few of their other favourites are:-

(1) Trams are going where no one will use them.
(2) Nobody wants trams
(3) They don't even go to the airport
(4) Tram fares will be £3 to £4
(5) This project is going to cost over £1bn
(6) Tram workers standing around doing nothing...

...actually, that last one is true:-)
67

Cabbie,

not near Princes Street 03/06/2009 03:05:15
The SNP were right to vote against the trams.
68

eric,

Lothian 03/06/2009 07:13:48
Ive been shopping through in Glasgow for decades.Somethings never change!
69

Mallory,

Edinburgh 19/06/2009 17:54:28
Has TIE managed to acquire all the land needed for the Trams project? Can it really be true that they have had to rely on renting access to key bits?
70

Cooncil Hooses,

The slums 22/11/2009 03:08:13
Still cant get over the idea of only having just ONE TRAM STOP on Princes Street. Whos all going to walk all the way to the other end to catch the tram? What a waste of money!

 

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