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Bus lane on busy route bids to beat bottleneck



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Published Date: 11 August 2008
ONE of Edinburgh's busiest roads will have a section turned into a bus lane under plans being considered by transport chiefs.
Regional transport body The South East of Scotland Transport Partnership – SEStran – wants to turn over a northbound lane of Queensferry Road – between the Quality Street and Clermiston Road junctions – into a bus lane during the evening rush hour in a bid to keep buses to their timetables.

The road is one of the city's biggest bottlenecks after 4pm, with traffic heading north to the Forth Road Bridge and west towards the Gogar Roundabout.

The £700,000 plans would also see signals added at the Blackhall and Quality Street junctions to give buses priority.

Although the plans have won the backing of all the bus companies, it would mainly benefit the commuter services to Fife and beyond operated by Stagecoach. Council chiefs have backed the plans but motoring groups today hit back, saying they will create even more congestion.

Alex Macaulay, partnership director of SEStran, said: "We were approached by the bus operators, who have outlined serious problems they are having with congestion on that route.

"This would not be a major project, it is tweaking things and tackling a number of key pinch points where congestion is particularly poor. I don't think there will be any real detriment to the general traffic if this is done carefully.

"The trick is to get the buses past the queues without adding too much to the delays."

Another part of the Sestran plans would be to extend the existing evening rush hour bus lane on Telford Road to the exit of the Groathill Road North junction. But Bruce Young, Lothian and Borders co-ordinator of the Association of British Drivers, said: "This is an appalling idea. That road has always been busy and congested and will only get worse if they start putting in bus lanes in what is a really tight corridor.

"The road has got to support all of the traffic going towards the bridge and removing lanes will create more congestion, not take it away. They need to look at taking traffic off Queensferry Road with a bypass."

SEStran will consider the plans at a board meeting on Friday, but if approved the city council will be asked to take the measures forward to a detailed design stage and carry out a full consultation.

But city transport leader Councillor Phil Wheeler said: "The A90 is an important and strategic link between Edinburgh and outlying towns, as well as much of the west and north of Scotland.

"Making it easier for buses to travel along this corridor is an integral part of the council's ongoing plans to tackle congestion through quick and convenient transport options."


The full article contains 464 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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1

allknowing,

11/08/2008 12:17:44
Total rubbish.

If they want LRT buses to run on time, the biggest choke point for them, or anyone else, is quality street. Fix that, and it will save 15mins. Granted sometimes the traffic on Qeensferry road between Quality St and Clermiston can be slow, but it always moves. This bus lane will make this road almost unusable!!!!Picture the scene, two lanes try to merge into one, aint going to happen.
As a result, you'll get even more people diverting down to gameskeepers road, and adding to the congestion down there too.
2

John Jamieson,

Edinburgh 11/08/2008 12:21:12
Can anybody explain the logic whereby the left filter from the Drum Brae onto Queensferry Road is switched off during the afternoon rush hour ?
3

Niko Bellic,

Juniper Green 11/08/2008 12:22:16

#1 Cadbury's Roses are a worse choke hazard than Quality Street.

Apart from that though, your comment is empty blethering, missus.
4

allknowing,

11/08/2008 12:22:28
#2 something to do with giving pupils from the Royal High School more chances at crossing, as the green man can be on when there are no cars moving.
5

allknowing,

11/08/2008 12:23:49
#3 why?

Buses , albeit slow, do move on queensferry street. The problem is quality st, as it queues right down, then right up main street, sometimes as far as RS McColl!
6

Statsman,

Edinburgh 11/08/2008 12:27:54
A completely insane plan. The amount of congestion this would cause is going to be beyond belief. It will also mean far more traffic going via Cramond where traffic already queues from the Barton Hotel to half way along Gamekeeper's Road.

This is the lentil munching lunatics setting out plans with little concern for those living near Queensferry Road.
7

Niko Bellic,

Juniper Green 11/08/2008 12:28:20

You are obsessed with Christmas sweets missus - that's why you want to go to RS McColls - to fill your belly with Quality Street.

Me, I prefer Chocolate Orange.
8

rs,

.of a road with too many cars 11/08/2008 12:28:48
allknowing ...a wee bit of information that may help you be all knowing

The Lothian Buses name was formed in January 2000 and replaced the former LRT Lothian fleet name. The company remains publicly owned - the major shareholder being The City Of Edinburgh Council.

for information you'll find that FIRST (Britain's biggest bus company) also use this road along with Stagcoach


But Bruce Young, Lothian and Borders co-ordinator of the Association of British Drivers...They need to look at taking traffic off Queensferry Road with a bypass."

Yip the old solution from the Car Drivers association, build more roads.

Why not go the full hogg and drive a 4 lane motorway through this area, demolishing anyting in its path, houses, parks......and end in Princes Street Gardens, were we would build a FREE multi storey car park

theres already a bypass from the forth bridge that takes you round the city....were would they build this bypass or how about like America and build multi storey roads
9

Niko Bellic,

Juniper Green 11/08/2008 12:29:19

#6 The Barton Hotel? Where the flip is that?
10

Statsman,

Edinburgh 11/08/2008 12:33:15
9 Niko Bellic

It was at the Barton Roundabout which is now the very badly designed Barton Junction. The hotel has been half demolished due to the council giving developers an easy ride.

Come to think of it, does the council actually do anything worthwhile anymore? Removing the Council and employing chaos theory would be more efficient than this mob of morons.
11

allknowing,

11/08/2008 12:38:55
#8
How does your comment help? I couldnt care when they changed their name, pathetic!!

As i said, this stretch of road moves, the only bit6 that comes to a standstill almost daily, even on school hols, is down at Drumbrae Hill and Barnton Junction, due to all the lights, and converging roads etc!!!

"Why not go the full hogg and drive a 4 lane motorway through this area, demolishing anyting in its path, houses, parks......and end in Princes Street Gardens, were we would build a FREE multi storey car park"

Bit childish no!!!! Grow up, and offer some sensible ideas!!!
12

Some guy,

11/08/2008 12:41:22
Got to agree with allknowing on this one. I regulary drive out to Livingston in the mornings and Quality Street is the 2nd busiest part of my journey. As he says it already gets large queues that take 20mins to get through. If you imagine that you've then got 2 lanes merging into one as you turn right then you start to assume that doubles the queuing time and so leads to 40 minute delays on an approx 1/4 - 1/2 mile section of road.

Although i have just noticed the article says in the Evening rush hour which isnt as bad but the chances of them only having it in the evening are slim in my view.
13

David Harrington,

Edinburgh 11/08/2008 12:42:30
Finally we can see the ABD in their true colours - it's back to the old failed ideas that would even fail to gain support in the Tory party these days.
#8 Don't joke as there were plans to bulldoze Princes Street Gardens for a motorway; thankfully Edinburgh hasn't been spoiled by urban motorways in the same way as Glasgow
14

Statsman,

Edinburgh 11/08/2008 12:43:26
SEStran. Bunch of PC clowns.

http://www.sestran.gov.uk/

They publish their information on six different languages so as not to offend immigrants that can't be bothered to learn English.
15

alex patersons English teacher,

11/08/2008 12:44:36
10

Barton, are you a Joey.
16

Sarcasm,

11/08/2008 12:44:36
Don't be too harsh on Allknowing, she's showing a lot of interest in Lothian buses along Quality Street.

I wonder why that could be.

I think the green man's on but no cars are moving, or something like that.
17

Statsman,

Edinburgh 11/08/2008 12:46:42
15 alex patersons English teacher

Heh. I dunno how that happened.
18

capy,

embra 11/08/2008 12:51:04
As sombody who works in logistics this is more bad news. I already find it hard to move deliveries around edinburgh.Maybe im supposed to use the bus!!
As others have stated this will lead to longer queue,s and more pollution. How many buses actually use the road per hour..Im not saying there should not be some form of traffic management but why always the same blunt tool. My vans and i pay road tax too.
19

Beergut,

Embra 11/08/2008 12:54:06
What on earth is the point of a bus lane between the Quality Street and Clermiston junctions? The real congestion only starts just past the Clermiston junction all the way until you are through the Barnton junction. £700,000 for some green paint, a couple of traffic lights and some signs is a totally unjustifiable waste of money. Why not bus lanes both ways along the entire length of Queensferry Road and that way maybe more drivers will choose the public transport option because car travel will then become totally impossible?
20

Statsman,

Edinburgh 11/08/2008 12:55:07
18 capy

You don't ride an ethnic peace bicycle to you must be bludgeoned to death with the blunt tool.

They don't care about the functioning of businesses after they impose their insane plans. They are all Communists.
21

allknowing,

11/08/2008 13:11:13
They just cant stop messing with the roads!!! People all of a sudden wont just stop using their cars!, It will just cuase congestion elsewhere in the city. As above, this isnt a very busy route for buses, so is a total waste.

What would be clever, is in evening, westbound traffic had 3 out fo the 4 lanes to use, as most traffic are heading out of Edinburgh, and then vice-versa in the mornings. Some active road management is required, not just this idiotic mantra of closing lanes and roads etc.
22

Statsman,

Edinburgh 11/08/2008 13:14:56
to=so
23

Sarcasm,

11/08/2008 13:19:34
#21
That's right, clear your bus route by moving the bottleneck elsewhere.

I don't know, a typical selfish bus user.
24

Padraig,

11/08/2008 13:27:27
Allknowing (21) - spot on - "tidal" lanes work well in England where they really do have road congestion, with three lanes inboung in the morning and three outbound in the evening, all controlled by overhead gantries showing the direction of flow in the two centre lanes.

And I am sure that this would cost less than £700,000 to install.

Trouble is that the LibDems are so gullible that they have fallen for the David Begg approach to traffic management - don't have any traffic and never mind that it cripples Edinburgh's economy.
25

allknowing,

11/08/2008 13:27:39
#23
Try reading my posts again!!!!!!

I certainly am no bus user!!!
26

NorT,

Edinburgh 11/08/2008 13:30:40
Are there not already lights at Quality Street and Blackhall. Why do we need new ones?
27

Dileas,

11/08/2008 13:51:31
"The road is one of the city's biggest bottlenecks" - so how would halving the road capacity for westbound traffic improve things?

But I certainly can understand the bus companies supporting this daft idea - they would really like the whole road to be dedicated to their buses, so that they could race each other between stops and pick up more passengers!
28

Jock MacSprog,

11/08/2008 13:51:33
typical edinburgh council moron logic: Lets take a 2 lane road that is very congested and make it more so by reducing it to 1 lane.
29

Statsman,

Edinburgh 11/08/2008 13:53:40
The 41 goes through Cramond, Barnton and Davidsons Mains. It will probably take the 41 an hour to get through Davidsons Mains and 1 1/2 hours to get out of Cramond at peak times if these idiotic proposals are initiated.

The 24 also goes via Barnton Junction and Davidsons Mains.
30

Jenny MacArthur,

11/08/2008 13:58:25
Tee hee hee. I just LOVE the moans and whines of selfish car drivers when society gets together to take back some of the public space they've stolen from us all. Ha ha ha ha ha.
31

geekpie,

forfar 11/08/2008 13:59:47
It's good news.

Provide good, fast public transport. Then up taxes and parking charges on the selfish people who bring their car into town every day and refuse to consider alternatives.
32

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11/08/2008 14:18:07
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Incandescent,

11/08/2008 14:23:21
#32 Jenny. Shhhhhhhhhh!

#33. "...refuse to consider alternatives..."? That pretty much sums up both your kind.
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allknowing,

11/08/2008 14:29:37
"take back some of the public space they've stolen from us all. Ha ha ha ha ha."

Erm, two questions for you.

1/As a percentage of commuting people, what percentage use the bus?
2/Who pays for the roads, and more? As a percentage, how much do car users pay compared to bus users.

Egg and face come to mind!!!
35

allknowing,

11/08/2008 14:30:19
as above, enjoy the rain home tonight!
36

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11/08/2008 14:48:45
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Paddi,

11/08/2008 14:54:05
It’s nothing more than enforcing choice. i.e you have no choice, get out of your cars and onto the buses and trains. The gridlock on the roads is being manufactured by the scrapping of roundabouts and the installation of unnecessary traffic lights.
38

Incandescent,

11/08/2008 15:06:00
#38 "Remember and smile when you pay your road tax =)"

Nice one Yummy - you've no doubt thrown away your credibility in many readers' eyes.
39

YummyMummy,

11/08/2008 15:22:16
#40

Not here to get credibility or to make friends. Simply here to state my opinion and read others and after the abuse myself and a few other 'selfish bus users' got, this is IDEAL for a little payback. Immature? Bothered.
I do feel for motorists with the amount of money you put into being able to use your own car but it's a choice thing. I choose not to drive. You lot choose not to take public transport. Deal with it.
40

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11/08/2008 15:35:43
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allknowing,

11/08/2008 15:36:40
#41. Are you a yummy mummy ;-)

its not even a case of them v us.

If it did what it said on the tin, fine, but it wont. This stretch of road, all of 1/3 mile, isnt even that bad. As i said, the traffic flows and at most, will take you 2 mins max!!!

Is the cost of this project, and the resulting congestion everywhere else worth saving 2 mins every now and again? Surely even you would agree not.

If it was a saving of say 15-20mins, thats different, but its very little gain, for a very big cost!!!!
42

rs,

.....allknowing 11/08/2008 15:40:43
allknowing, sorry assumed from your name that you were all knowing.

Apologies for highlighting that LRT hasn't existed for 8 years.

As you said, this stretch of road moves, the only bit that comes to a standstill almost daily, .......due to all the lights, and converging roads etc!

Nothing to do with all the cars?

Read the article

But Bruce Young, Lothian and Borders co-ordinator of the Association of British Drivers, said: ....... They need to look at taking traffic off Queensferry Road with a bypass."

So my "comment" is taking Bruces suggestion a bit to the extreme, but he is suggesting a bypass and given the amount of cars it would have to be 4 lanes to have free flowing traffic

Where could he build it ?
43

YummyMummy,

11/08/2008 15:43:28
#43

Spot on, i would agree that its a waste of money. But you know as well as i do, just because we disagree isn't going to make them change their minds. So we do what we always do when pen-pushers get a power trip and think they know best and we get on with it.
And my name? If you think yours is right, i think mine is ;) lol.
44

Incandescent,

11/08/2008 15:43:39
This is all moot anyway. A couple of weeks ago the X50 had to stop immediately after Clermiston Road for 7 minutes because it was too far ahead of schedule. This was at 5:55 pm!
45

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11/08/2008 15:47:00
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Incandescent,

11/08/2008 15:53:18
#44 rs "Nothing to do with all the cars?"

The way I see it, the major causes of Traffic congestion in Edinburgh are:

1. Excessive and deliberately mis-sequenced traffic signals
2. Inattentive drivers not anticipating green lights
3. "Amber gamblers" and red-light runners, especially north bound at the quality street junction.
47

Smasher,

11/08/2008 16:00:23
Why are taxis and cyclists allowed to use bus lanes? Stopping them using special bus lanes would be a move in the right direction. Banning cyclists altogether would be brilliant.

Why can't they just add another lane? Some of the gardens on this stretch of road are badly maintained and 6 inches of Tarmac would be a big improvement.

And finally who cares how long it takes people to get back to Fife? I would have thought the longer you avoided the place the better. Being stuck in a traffic jam in Edinburgh must be better than being anywhere in Fife.
48

Apple,

Edinburgh 11/08/2008 16:21:49
#48: well said. The amount of drivers who now sneak through red lights is beyond belief.They seem to forget that we're all trying to get from A to B and that the roads don't belong exclusively to them.

#49: What's your problem with cyclists? Why would banning them improve things? Perhaps a little tolerance from all road users (including cyclists)would't go amiss.
49

Incandescent,

11/08/2008 16:30:04
#49 Indeed. Northbound red light running is a serious problem at both the Barnton and Quality Street junctions, further reducing the already ludicrously brief right-turn filters and prolonging tailbacks.
50

Smasher,

11/08/2008 16:32:15
No 50

When they start paying a contribution towards the upkeep of the roads then they can use them. Until then, they can walk. Banning them would make no difference to the problem above. It would however, bring a smile to my face.


51

BonnyRigger,

11/08/2008 16:40:52
Bus lanes are an excellent idea which have been hijacked by car haters in their on going war with the motorist.
When deployed to reclaim roadspace which would otherwise be taken up by parked vehicles e.g. the main A7 route from the South, no sensible person would argue with them.
Using them to reduce dual carrigeways to single lanes is economic vandalism & a big cause of pollution e.g. Calder Road and they should be scrapped on these routes.
I would really love to see a proper environmental & economic audit of all new whizzo transport ideas e.g. when you replace a roundabout (close to zero cost), with masses of lights is the on-going electricity use taken in to account?
I wonder if a few sweetheart deals are in place between tree-hugging officials and the companies that make all this junk to clutter up the roads. Be worth checking who's who when the post-retirement consultanicies are getting handed out.
52

The Sheriff,

11/08/2008 16:43:33
Here we ferking go again,muppets from the council and LRT want to STEAL exsisting road space away from the motorists so a few buses can move that little bit quicker whilst we other drivers sit in more congestion caused by these tinpot adolfs.

Another example of the real cause of traffic congestion in Edinburgh brought to you by the cooncil and lrt.

The road is busy enough without resorting to reducing it's capacity by 50% for a few buses,this plan should be kicked into touch and if not then a campaign of non compliance by motorists should ensue.
53

scarylady,

edinburgh 11/08/2008 17:07:44
And where exactly is the value for money in spending this amount on a bus lane for a route that is served by very few buses! With the planned reduction in services by Stagecoach and the recent withdrawal of the No 32 outwith peak times, the bus lanes are going to be largely empty for most of the time.
54

Peeter Reed,

Edinburgh 11/08/2008 17:11:10
#10 "Removing the Council and employing chaos theory would be more efficient than this mob of morons"

... haha! this comment actually made me LOL. I'm definitely with you on this one.
55

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 11/08/2008 17:12:20
I'm all for this idea - anything that keeps the buses moving a lot quickers is great!!! Perhaps car drivers will finally get the hint that their cars are not wanted in Edinburgh!!
56

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 11/08/2008 17:13:35
Lets not forget - you voted for the current administration - you made your bed - now lie in it!!
57

calum,

11/08/2008 17:22:21
Jenny and Tony - one and the same. Same as Sellotape and Mario - agrees with his own arguments, laughs at his own jokes, away at the same time ........ and you lot fall for it!
58

FC Barcelona,

11/08/2008 17:24:07
oh how my heart bleeds for drivers stuck in traffic jams
59

Incandescent,

11/08/2008 18:01:53
#59 You might well be correct, Callum.

I haven't seen Duncan for quite a while.
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11/08/2008 18:09:15
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Anonym,

11/08/2008 19:26:58
Hey Tony, I've a couple of ideas that will get the buses around their routes quicker.

Rip out all the passenger seats. Less weight, more speed!

Also, abolish timetables and bus stops.

Well, you did say, "anything that keeps the buses moving a lot quicker is great!!!!"

Oh, I agree with the Sheriff.

I think our 'leaders' create more problems than they solve. Congestion in Edinburgh need not be bad at all.
62

Artemis,

11/08/2008 19:51:50
#52 - cyclists pay income tax, VAT, council tax and the ones who also own cars pay VED, all of which contribute to the upkeep of the roads.

If this scheme goes ahead, the buses will be able to go more quickly, which might encourage more drivers to stop driving and take the bus. That will mean less traffic on the roads, which means less congestion and pollution, and everyone benefits from that.
63

rs,

.of a comment 11/08/2008 20:15:01
48 Incandescent, 11/08/2008 15:53:18

"Nothing to do with all the cars?"

its all to do with cars.

Its great during the school holidays,

same number of buses on the road
less cars on the road

buses run to time

now what can be the problem?
64

rs,

, n' about 11/08/2008 20:22:53
latest trick from Car Drivers to save Milli-seconds,

when passing a cyclist at a traffic island, the ones with the big BLUE ARROW telling people to keep to the left

do you

Slow down and overtake safely(as per the highway code)?

OR

Do you drive round the right hand side of the traffic island?

answers on a postcard to ....
65

allknowing,

11/08/2008 20:33:42
#66

Tecnically, there is nothing unlawfull about doing that. As long as its safe to do so, go for it. That way both cyclist and driver are happy! Its only an order if its in a red circle remember!!!
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rs,

, 11/08/2008 20:46:44
67

think you'll find that this sign is giving you and order,

its all in the highway code, great read,

thrown out and forgotten by many of Edinburgh's drivers

try it with a police car in front of you!

Goodnight
RS
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rs,

. of a comment 11/08/2008 20:51:26
no 67

missed you last comment

so you drive round roundabouts the wrong way
drive down one way streets the wrong way
At split pedestrian crossings, you drive to the right?

think the boys in blue would say otherwise

Goodnight and safe driving
RS

68

A Leither,

11/08/2008 20:53:08
#66

You forgot:

"Floor it; cut recklessly across the front of the cyclist at the last second when you realise there's no room to get by safely and keep your fingers crossed that you've not got them stuck under your wheels"

I've had a few 'round the traffic island' drivers when I move into primary position for the few seconds it takes to clear the pinch-point. Tend to just think of them as impatient idiots and smile sweetly at them and blow them a kiss when I sail by a few minutes further on when they're stuck in a jam. It helps push their blood pressure just that little bit higher ;-)
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allknowing,

11/08/2008 22:07:18
Guys, dont be childish, there is no reason to go around it if there is no opposing traffic. Show me where in the highway code book it states it is a law!!!

Granted 99.9% of the time it is to be adhered to, but on some occasons no, but common sense should prevail. I personally havnt done this just to pass a cyclist. However, where you have a parked car, island, then another parked car, instead of turning sharply left/right, then right/left to negoaite it, its safer and easier to go on the other side of the road. In fact, this was demonstrated to me on my advance driving course many moons ago. The reason being that you are always visible that way to on coming traffic and pedestrains.
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allknowing,

11/08/2008 22:10:41
#68, maybe you should read the highway code book!!!!

"Signs with blue circles but no red border mostly give positive instruction."

NOT an order. Reason as per my last post.
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Slightly Cynical,

Edinburgh 11/08/2008 23:03:00
#66
Sorry, all knowing, I think you are wrong. Red circle signs are mostly prohibitive. The blue circle arrow on keep left bollards is a positive instuction and carry the same legal weight as the prohibitive sign. Fixed penalty and 3 points most likely if seen by police - driving without due care and attention or even dangerous driving likely if you hit someone both complete with court appearance + fine +/- prison.
It's all in the Highway Code if you look.
72

Slightly Cynical,

Edinburgh 11/08/2008 23:07:50
Anything causing Queensferry Road (QFRD) to be more congested will only increase traffic along Cramond Road North, Gamekeepers Road and Whitehouse Road up to the Barnton Junction. Before anything is done to QFRD, should create two lanes northbound on Whitehouse Road, the inner one for local folk (and buses) to turn left onto QFRD which would make a hige difference to local journeys and bus punctuality.
73

allknowing,

11/08/2008 23:16:48
#73 See post #71. The operating word being 'mainly'!
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allknowing,

11/08/2008 23:17:32
#74, your 100% correct. Its already a nightmare down there, this will only make matters worse.
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rs,

, not so allknowing 11/08/2008 23:35:33
read The "Official Highway Code", think you'll find that your going down a one way street the wrong way, stop and turn back now

think you'll find the version that 73 has also read is the official one.

here's the text from the page, signs giving orders are listed under 2 categories

Signs with red circles are mostly prohibitive. Plates below signs qualify their message.

Signs with blue circles but no red border mostly give positive instruction.

You'll find them on most public roads

On roundabouts and when you join a dual carriageway at a junction.

Try going right on a one way street when the sign tells you to go left, well I'll let you work out the consequences.


If you have any doubts give l&b police a quick call or pop into you local police station and you'll find that they've got a different interpretation of the law than you.


A definite Good Night,
over and out RS
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Julian.,

edinburgh 12/08/2008 00:41:37
Allknowing,

Amd how exactly are you going to speed the buses up on Quality Street right back to RS McColls? You certainly couldn't put a bus lane in as it's 90% single track.

As for it being unacceptable because it will create a bottleneck, what about every other route out of Edinburgh which have already had bus lanes put in?
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Julian.,

edinburgh 12/08/2008 00:46:14
rs,

I think you've definitely won the argument on that one. Most conclusive.
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allknowing,

12/08/2008 09:05:13
#77, again read my post, i quote for you

"Signs with blue circles but no red border mostly give positive instruction"

What do you reakon the word 'mostly' means here??? Go on, have a guess!
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allknowing,

12/08/2008 09:07:59
#77 i wouldnt consult a polieman for his understanding of the law, what with all their intensive training they recieve!
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rs,

12/08/2008 13:11:07
read your post try the highway code

you may wish to check with the boys in blue, you can call them on ..... or you you may meet them coming down a one way street the correct way

Heres the Highway Code Version again

read The "Official Highway Code", think you'll find that your going down a one way street the wrong way, stop and turn back now

think you'll find the version that 73 has also read is the official one.

here's the text from the page, signs giving orders are listed under 2 categories

Signs with red circles are mostly prohibitive. Plates below signs qualify their message.

Signs with blue circles but no red border mostly give positive instruction.

You'll find them on most public roads

On roundabouts and when you join a dual carriageway at a junction.

Try going right on a one way street when the sign tells you to go left, well I'll let you work out the consequences.


If you have any doubts give l&b police a quick call or pop into you local police station and you'll find that they've got a different interpretation of the law than you.

I think you interpreting the word mostly in the wrong way....think about it

Keep the clock wound up

and finally Good Bye for today
RS
83

A Weegie,

The Burgh 22/08/2008 08:56:48
If anyone actually bothered to read the SESTrans report, it says the following about the bus lane betweek QS and Clermiston:
" An extra lane in the outbound direction between Quality Street and Clermiston Road junction which will act as a bus lane. This section of the A90 will act as a queue relocation scheme which will ensure buses will arrive at the critical Drum Brae North and Barnton junctions ahead of other traffic"

An EXTRA lane, not the existing one.

 

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