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Unesco slams city on Caltongate



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Published Date: 18 November 2008
UNESCO yesterday criticised Edinburgh council's handling of the Caltongate development and said the demolition of two listed buildings could have been avoided, The Scotsman can reveal.



Its European heritage chief, Dr Mechtild Rössler, condemned the council for allowing the London developer Mountgrange to draw up the initial blueprint for the huge Old Town site, by Waverley Station.

Dr Rössler said the move to allow a deve
loper to lead the "masterplanning", instead of the local authority, was "highly unusual" in a World Heritage site and was probably responsible for the scheme attracting so much opposition.

She said it was "puzzling" the council had decided on that approach with Mountgrange, a developer to which it had agreed to sell several parcels of land, when it had not done so over the proposed redevelopment of the nearby St James Centre.

Dr Rössler, who spent three days in the capital last week, said the council could have avoided the huge "tensions" between the developer, the business community and heritage bodies by leading the whole development process and avoiding demolitions.

"There were a number of issues that concerned us about the Caltongate development. We do consider that listed buildings should only be demolished as a last resort and generally should not happen in a World Heritage site. It's very important to us that stakeholders are listened to and their views are not overrun.

"It's very puzzling that the council did not lead the original masterplanning process. Had this happened, we believe many of the tensions over Caltongate could have been avoided and the proposed development would have looked a lot different. These buildings could've been saved."

Mountgrange has promised about 2,000 jobs. The scheme involves the creation of a hotel and conference centre, 200 homes, a public square, office blocks and a new arts quarter. But it involves demolition of two listed buildings, as well as the removal of all but the façade of a 1930s tenement block on the Canongate.

Unesco has also told The Scotsman that its report into the capital's World Heritage site will spell out serious concerns about the impact on Edinburgh's skyline of the Haymarket development, which was called in by the Scottish Government last week.

Jim Lowrie, Edinburgh city council's planning leader, admitted the local authority could be left in a "tricky position" if the council's handling of Mountgrange was strongly criticised and asked for a response.

However, Mountgrange has launched an attack on Unesco, the world heritage body, branding it an "irrelevance" and saying it is not interested in its views on the £300 million development.

The firm said it has no intention of postponing the start of work until after next summer's World Heritage summit, in Seville, discusses Edinburgh.

A spokesman Mark Cummings said a "dangerous precedent" would be set if a major developer had to wait until Unesco had delivered its judgment, and insisted that Mountgrange had no intention of changing its scheme, even if key criticisms were made by Unesco.









The full article contains 505 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

Buttress,

18/11/2008 00:06:47
Well, there you go.

Can some of us have a wee time to say 'told you so'?

www.eh8.org.uk

And oh dear me - UNESCO, Mark Cummings, is far greater than you are. What a very, very foolish stance for a PR firm to have taken.

That's really a spot Philistine and ignorant, isn't it?




2

Buttress,

18/11/2008 00:17:23
Glad someone has some idea of what WHs status means - and it's not Ron Hewitt:

http://news.scotsman.com/opinion/Burning-Issue.4702766.jp#3448737

3

Buttress,

18/11/2008 00:33:32
http://www.eh8.org.uk/mountgrange_s_spin_doctors
4

Buttress,

18/11/2008 00:38:10
INVICTA PR:


" "Invicta Public Affairs is a world-class public affairs consultancy providing political engagement services to the commercial, industrial and development sectors. We build powerful political and public support for our clients to ensure exceptional chances of success in overcoming barriers to enterprise caused by regulatory systems as well as local and national government policy.


The team at Invicta rely on their extensive experience and knowledge of the political landscape in Scotland and the rest of the UK to deliver for clients across multiple sectors in a dynamic and innovative way.


Our aim is to win for our clients." "

Right. Read into that what you will.



5

Munter,

Musselburgh 18/11/2008 07:35:14
UNESCO are an "irrelevance" according to Mountgrange.
So Mountgrange are now bigger than the United Nations are they ?
In public relations terms Mark Cummings is a total fool. Even if you think UNESCO is an irrelevance you don't go on the record and say it, it only gives more ammunition to the objectors to paint you and your clients as arrogant bullies.
Which is what SOOT and other objectors are doing very successfully so well done to them.
6

Louis Catorze,

18/11/2008 07:47:58
"....more ammunition to the objectors to paint you and your clients as arrogant bullies.
Which is what SOOT and other objectors are doing very successfully so well done to them...."


Yeah, standing a distance a way, name calling. That helped the buildings, didn't it?
7

Munter,

Musselburgh 18/11/2008 07:59:15
Louis #6, the SOOT campaigners actually live in the area being discussed.
And, yes, they have waged a highly successful campaign against an arrogant and incompetent Edinburgh City Council and a developer, Mountgrange, that is not in the slightest bit interested in the historic nature of Edinburgh's Old Town. As evidenced in this article by the comments of their idiotic PR person, Mark Cummings.
8

Scoop in the City,

18/11/2008 08:03:34
More concerned about the height of the hotel at Haymarket which will spolit the skyline from the west. Mountgrange need to walk up the High Street and have a look at the Hotel on Blackfriars St. A great example of how a modern hotel does not need to look like a Birmingham Secondary school.
9

Jambo Dave,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 08:03:40
I wonder if they contact EDC by brown envelopes.They really leave themselfs open to all sorts.Who is in charge here?How can the developer be the one who knows best?He has only got one interest which is the bottom line for him.Our city is run by numpties,not news I think.
10

JWW,

Whitburn, West Lothian 18/11/2008 08:41:48
Is this development saga, a prime example of the role, modern day politicians play in society?
11

Buttress,

18/11/2008 08:46:18
Maybe the saga shows the role a couple of former politicians played in Edinburgh.

No doubt wee Donald Anderson's spin company will be spinning at high revs today to try to counter the damage.

http://www.eh8.org.uk/mountgrange_s_spin_doctors

Shame Coun Rose didn't quite understand:

http://cameronrose.blogspot.com/2008/11/unesco-calm-end-to-speculation.html

http://cameronrose.blogspot.com/2008/11/unesco-meeting.html


12

Ancient Biker,

Watching the Councillors 18/11/2008 08:47:04
John Menzies have just warned their customers that there is a shortage of Brown Envelopes in the Central edinburgh area - is this linked to this article?
13

Buttress,

18/11/2008 08:49:21
TV last night:

http://www.stv.tv/news/Council_claims_Edinburgh_heritage_statu_081117181255971

14

A Crofter,

Western Isles 18/11/2008 08:49:42
Yet another example of our politicians - local and national - worshipping greedy property speculators at the expense of Scotland's heritage.

15

Boy Wonder,

18/11/2008 08:55:09
The Council will let Mountgrange go ahead ... then UNESCO will pull the World Heritage status ... and all of the offending Councillors will lose their seats at the next election ... AFTER we tar and feather them!!!
16

dba,

HAYMARKET! 18/11/2008 08:57:45
There has been a serious 'odour' about the whole of the Haymarket planning application and the way it has been handled.

As the Application has been called in, I call on Audit Scotland ot instruct a full financial investigation into the various 'relationships' between companies associated with Councillors (Or former Councillors) and the various developers and Architects.

IN THE EVENT of anything untoward being found - the matter must, properly, be referred to Lothians and Borders Police to investigate and report on any possibility of criminality.

I call on the 'reporter' to ensure that as many local views and opinions arew canvassed and taken into consideration, especially following the cavalier and arrogant attitude of the planning committee when, in the face of strenuous objections the palns were approved.

As for Mountgrange - their comments in the article illustrates beyond any doubt, their contempt for the authorities, their contempt for the law and the total and utter contempt for the locals folk who will have to live under the shadow of the monstrosity!
17

Buttress,

18/11/2008 09:00:07
I hope Coun 'I voted for them' Rose reads that.

18

Buttress,

18/11/2008 09:04:44
From today's opinion 'Burning Issue' piece:

"SALLY RICHARDSON

spokeswoman, Save Our Old Town campaign

WORLD Heritage status is awarded on consideration by the World Heritage Committee (a committee of member nations of Unesco) on the recommendation of the International Commission on Monuments and Sites. Nominations are put forward by national governments (in this case the UK government), often at the suggestion of a national institution (in this case, the City of Edinburgh Council). The World Heritage Centre is an admin body for the UN World Heritage Convention, to which the UK is a signatory.

Unesco was formed in a spirit of encouraging international understanding and peace, through co-operation in the realm of education, science and culture. World Heritage Sites are an important part of this, encouraging nations to understand the values that they share with others across the globe: what Edinburgh and, say, Peru's Machu Picchu have in common may not be obvious immediately, but then you begin to understand how another culture produced – or came to value – a site, and realise that how they value that place is not very different from us.

To say World Heritage Status is irrelevant to Edinburgh is to say that Edinburgh has no relevance to the rest of humanity and, if removed, that its outstanding universal value has been significantly reduced. At present, the site remains of huge international significance and interest – key to this is its juxtaposition of the organic medieval Old Town and the carefully planned and designed 18th and 19th century New Town. Those calling on World Heritage Status to be dropped, or just ignored, need to open their minds, and perhaps also their hearts, to everything that makes Edinburgh special..."


The alternative view is by none other than Mountgrange's mouthpiece Ron Hewitt, Chamber of Commerce.

19

Labour Sleeze Reporter,

18/11/2008 09:42:34
#16 dba - Well and succinctly put.
20

Buttress,

18/11/2008 09:46:50
Let's be clear - Mountgrange is Caltongate.

Tiger is Haymarket.
21

NGH,

East Lothian 18/11/2008 09:50:20
Mark Cummings is doing his paymasters no service at all if his comments are accurately reported. The refusal of Mountgrange and the council planners to recognise the legitimate concerns that people have had about their proposals from day one has brought the whole process into disrepute. It's little wonder that so many people have become so cynical about the planning procedures in Edinburgh.
22

Seb,

18/11/2008 09:52:51
Could you post Ron Hewitt's response please? I'm unwilling to pay for poor reporting.
23

noswod,

Honestas 18/11/2008 09:55:27
This is what happens when you let spec/spiv builders try to rebuild the city. Lousey buildings. What happens when the "Man from Unesco" comes along, he says "In the rest of the world the people have major say especially when their are heritage buildings involved." The remarks by the developer illustrate the comtempt for any kind of democratic process involved in reviewing tearing up one of the key world sites of Historical interest. Lets hope the credit crunch puts the mockkers on this development. Fair wind to the opposers.
24

Buttress,

18/11/2008 09:59:27
"A London-based development company behind one of the most controversial planning decisions in Edinburgh made a £4,000 donation to the Scottish Labour Party to fund a champagne reception at a time when the backing of party councillors for the project was crucial to its success.

A Times investigation has established that the donation was made by Mountgrange, the company which is developing the £300 million Caltongate project in the heart of Edinburgh's historic OldTown. The scheme, which envisages the demolition of some listed buildings, is bitterly opposed by conservationists...

Links between Mountgrange and the Labour Party have been the subject of controversy since last October, when it was disclosed that Donald Anderson, the former Labour leader of Edinburgh council, had been appointed Scottish director of PPS, the public relations company which has been promoting the Caltongate project on behalf of Mountgrange..."


While still leader of the council, Mr Anderson had spoken out enthusiastically in favour of the Caltongate scheme in a newsletter published by PPS on behalf of Mountgrange..."

More:

http://independentrepublicofthecanongate.blogspot.com/2008/02/caltongate-developers-funded-labour.html
25

Buttress,

18/11/2008 09:59:56
Seb - you don't need to pay, simply sign in.
26

roadstohell,

18/11/2008 10:02:23
"Sic a parcel o' rogues in a nation" !
27

Seb,

18/11/2008 10:21:58
Butress, it's premium content and you have to subscribe.
28

Buttress,

18/11/2008 10:26:19
Well I haven't!

Here ye go:

Burning Issue



RON HEWITT

Chief executive, Edinburgh Chamber of Commerce

THE recent visit of the Unesco delegation was a welcome opportunity for the directors of the World Heritage Committee to assure themselves regarding the situation on the ground. That Dr (Mechtild] Rössler, in summing up, saw no reason to report Edinburgh's World Heritage status being at risk is welcomed by the business community. The existing environment is a key reason why developers want to invest in our city. And if we want them to do so we must have attitudes that make investors welcome.

We don't agree the city is in a polarised debate about the issue. Whenever we meet with heritage groups we are able to have open conversations about a joint interest – preserving and developing one of the finest cities in Europe. Has this underlying commonality ruled the roost of the planning process? No! Should it? Yes! Do we need a better planning process to make applications run more smoothly? Yes! And it has arrived. It is called the Planning Act Scotland 2006 and it stipulates that community consultation should precede the hearing of applications in the council's planning committee.

It is interesting that Dr Rössler seemed unaware of these provisions. We explained the delays in bringing in regulations to implement the act are occasioned by a lengthy period of consultation – just what has been asked for all along. Dr Rössler told us Unesco has no interest in (or resources to deliver) vetting of planning applications in Edinburgh. Historic Scotland (legally) performs the function of overseeing our historic environment. We will continue to work with that organisation and other heritage bodies.

(Odd how last week the C of C was saying there was a vast gulf I seem to recall...)

29

Rap,

18/11/2008 10:27:09
Well, well, another new turn in the UNESCO saga. Yesterday all is well in Council world, and the planners are wonderful and UNESCO think they are perfect little administrators and now the truth?
Not a surprise, a relief actually. and this is music to my ears :-
"Unesco has also told The Scotsman that its report into the capital's World Heritage site will spell out serious concerns about the impact on Edinburgh's skyline of the Haymarket development, which was called in by the Scottish Government last week."

But you can't help but wonder who is spinning who. It is a farce but I have no doubt the truth will out, eventually.
30

Rap,

18/11/2008 10:33:11
"And it has arrived. It is called the Planning Act Scotland 2006 and it stipulates that community consultation should precede the hearing of applications in the council's planning committee.

It is interesting that Dr Rössler seemed unaware of these provisions. We explained the delays in bringing in regulations to implement the act are occasioned by a lengthy period of consultation – just what has been asked for all along."

Mmm, interesting that the consultation stipulated in the new act did not apply to any of the developments UNESCO came to discuss. And with the planning dept having an attitude that at present consultation is not a right, then it's hardly surprising communities and heritage groups are across a gaping chasm from planners and developers.
31

Buttress,

18/11/2008 10:33:35
Well, no doubt Brian F asked a few leading questions, but I suspect that the gist of this is correct.

"Dr Mechtild Rossler told BBC Scotland news website: "When we looked at developments such as the St James Shopping Centre we thought the plans were positive but we had issues with a development in Haymarket and issues with some processes at Caltongate..."

32

World class concrete,

18/11/2008 10:35:50
What a breathtakingly arrogant statement by Mountgrange: that they're not interested in Unexco's views, and they have no intention of changing anything about the development. It's consistent with their past attitude though.

The WHS is perfectly capable of being added to by high quality building designs which respect their setting (the Scottish Storytelling Centre, for example), but there's no need for listed buildings in good condition to be lost in the process. Caltongate fails on both counts. Unfortunately the area has already been compromised to some extent by the appalling Council headquarters, but that's no reason to add still more inferior and inappropriate buildings.

Who is this city being run for - the people who live in it, or developers? (I fear I know the answer to that).
33

Buttress,

18/11/2008 10:39:34
Of course you can consult - and carefully manipulate how you do it. Focus groups with hand picked reps from the 'community', workshops, caerfully worded questionnaires... Look again at the INVICTA blurb. Read the www.ew8.org.uk spin doctor stuff.Illuminating.

Read the objections by EWH. Consult then ignore.

Of course these concerns will now be claimed to have been dealt with in the government's response to UNESCO, penned by Historic Scotland and the DCMS (which is guarding its own back ...) the new planning act has been brought in, it will all be better in future... and no turning the clock back.

All too late.





34

Duncan in Edinburgh,

18/11/2008 11:14:25
Buttress you really are full of it. You want to say "I told you so"? On what, exactly?

When you said "It is certainly a threat to the WHS"? - http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/caltongatedevelopment/Caltongate----39a.3874147.jp

Or when you said "The WHS was not under threat" - http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/politics?articleid=4700018

Or even when you said that Mountgrange was going to pull out of the project altogether? http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/edinburghplanningissues/Caltongate-clears-last-hurdle-with.4521466.jp

Which of those gems are you so very proud of?
35

bluehead,

edinburgh 18/11/2008 11:19:54
they are not the only ones
,the people of Edinburgh are thoroughly disgusted with this lot that are running the city,
I wouldn't give them ajob selling balloons at a jumble sale,what a pile!!!!!
36

Rap,

18/11/2008 11:20:16
Buttress,
Of course, in our experience, consultation was had (of sorts), a special little booth was erected, and wine was poured. Except that what was discussed during consultation was thrown out when the plans hit the Council's desk. So I assume it ticked boxes, but yet again a development on the same site has received criticisms for it's consultation with the public. Even following criticisms of public consultation for the previous application in a public inquiry. So someone is not listening, or not learning. And now it's going come across as a difficult site to develope on, which in fairness it is because of it's proximity to the WHS, but it's being made more difficult than necessary.
37

Buttress,

18/11/2008 11:24:12
I am proud of them all Duncan.

Situations change. Things happen in the wide world outside these pages.


I didn't say Mountgrange was going to pull out. I said I had heard it rumoured?

Don't flap that hanky. I have lots to do today and haven't time for you doing your Monty Python sketch.

38

Chrislovesbuffy1970,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 11:24:13
Playing Devils Advocate, I have 2 questions: (1) Why should world heritage status matter so much in a modern, vibrant, forward looking city and; (2) if the Caltongate development doesn't go ahead what are the alternatives to make use of the large square area of dirt/wasteland that has existed for the last 3 years? Please don't dirct me to other webpages, I'd like somebody to answer in simple laymans terms.
39

Buttress,

18/11/2008 11:35:59
1 I think the answer is in post 18 above.

2 The site can be landscaped, or used as a car park, in the interim, while a Masterplan is developed. Who knows, things like family homes (not serviced flats) and affordable housing could be built on site, the Venture could be brought back into use...

There are ideas out there, but they involved the community, and Mountgrange doesn't want that. Max profit, you see.
40

Buttress,

18/11/2008 11:41:24
36 Rap

Part of the problem lies in the 'hope value'; they pay way over the odds for a site in the hope that they can then make vast pots of cash from a development which isn't suitable! No-one simply wants to make a fair profit any longer. Although in the case of Caltonagte the council is flooging off listed and other buildings and common good land at a knock down price as Mountgrange has said it is 'regenerating' the area.

Oh yes, you can 'consult'. You can ask loaded questions, and get the answers you want, and ignore the objections which don't suit. Old games.
41

Chrislovesbuffy1970,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 11:46:26
#39 - Well, I'm all in favour of affordable housing. Personally, in the longer term I feel the Old Town could also do with more communal space/squares for residents and visitors alike to enjoy - maybe even a little greenspace or local art project would be welcome! Also on a short term basis, the types of things that have taken place in the burnt down Cowgate area, especially during the Festival/Fringe have been inventive, relatively low maintenance and entertaining.
42

Rap,

18/11/2008 11:52:33
Yes Buttress, the filthy lucre is the key. The fact that a hotel was 12 storeys and then when a single hotel chain comes along and demands more rooms then it goes up 5 storeys. No suggestion that another hotel chain might not be so demanding. In fact, a couple of Councillors said they were worried about objecting to the tall hotel in case the hotel chain walked away. Is that really a planning issue to worry about finances?
43

Buttress,

18/11/2008 11:55:03
Yes, some green space, and things which make a genuine community. Of course some commercial development to help make some return on the investment, but this site at the moment seems to be driven simply by a vast commercial scheme. People live in the area and surely a living local community is far better than a hotel and conference centre and offices?

Bring the tenements back into use too! The Ark surely can be used again for some community benefit, instead of using it as a facade only for a five star hotel?

How about some shops, which aren't bistros and coffee chains, even re-use the market building?

Local people (with professional expertise) had ideas. There was an alternative strategy drawn up. But no-one was interested... and so no masterplan apart from the developer driven one.
44

Buttress,

18/11/2008 11:56:24
Rap - I suspect that if the hotel chain walked away, another would come along! Not all are as rapacious. Anyhow, why does it need to be a hotel?
45

Rap,

18/11/2008 12:06:26
No need for a hotel. A lovely green space would be my wish. And with a sympathetic station revamp with the new open concourse they are suggesting, it would be a much nicer place to walk around, for visitors, commuters and residents. But no money to be made in grass. But that's the responsibility of the councillors when being offered a recommendation by the planners. Not worrying about developers £££ but their wards.

In the public hearing the planners stated that the average (not narrowest note) distance between the hotel and office blocks is comparable to the width of Multrees Walk. But, remember, that's not just a lovely public area (or not even), it's also somewhere for tourist buses and lorries and taxis and cars. Not much space to walk along Multrees Walk with a large continental tourist bus on it. But it's the money that matters.
46

Rap,

18/11/2008 12:07:21
I agree Buttress, intercontinental are not the only 5* hotel in the world. I'm sure many others would like to be a station hotel.
47

Buttress,

18/11/2008 12:20:54
Maybe Sofitel could be persuaded... the Caltongate hotel planned is not lovely but it isn't a tower, possibly because it is indeed in the WHS. Tiger seems not to have understood setting, ouv and iconic skylines, unfortunately.


No doubt at the inquiry Murphy and as many of his pals as he can muster will argue it will be a welcome addition to the historic skyline, one fit for this century etc etc. Murphy loves this sort of 'anti-heritage' publicity it seems. Developers have cash to pay for people to spout, and naturally every other architect who will in future want work building high if this goeas ahead will line up to support him, even if behind his back they are out with the knives. Not much honour amongst thieves and some architects?

The proposed skyline policy I think has been watered down. Once the heights have been breached...

It gets so wearying, heard it all before.


48

Arfur,

18/11/2008 12:30:31
Do not agree with the tower in Haymarket.

Think Mountgrange are a bunch of idiots for their response

but have some of you moaning about this been to the Caltongate area?

It is dark and dingy and appart from the occational person passing thru has no one there. This will transform that area.

Why cant developers just design a nice simple looking building on the outside, use old stones and make it modern on the inside?
49

Buttress,

18/11/2008 12:35:12
Em - the main objectors actually live on the Canongate.

Try doing a bit of reading:

www.eh8.org.uk

50

Calum Crubag,

18/11/2008 12:39:17
Mountgrange are a disgrace. How can a London-based company get a free hand at destroying our heritage. Protestors should cause havoc if it goes ahead.

Remember we have Labour to thank for this mess.
51

Calum Crubag,

18/11/2008 12:40:11
#48 - so why can't the cooncil brighten the area without destroying some of it's heritage?
52

Buttress,

18/11/2008 12:46:00
Tessa Jowell Appoints New Commissioners For English Heritage
102/2003

The Secretary of State for Culture, Tessa Jowell, announced today that Maria Adebowale, Joyce Bridges, Bill Bryson, Manish Chande, Lord Douro and Elizabeth Williamson have been appointed as Commissioners of English Heritage with effect from 1 September 2003 for a period of four years.

Tessa Jowell said:


"England's built heritage is of immense importance to us all. It provides fulfilling ways to spend our leisure time, to understand the histories of our ancestors and contributes to a wider social agenda. The new Commissioners will play an integral part in meeting our objectives to make the historic environment more accessible, and increase visits by new users."

Chairman of English Heritage, Sir Neil Cossons said:


"We are delighted to welcome these six new Commissioners to English Heritage. They are all outstanding in their fields. Their knowledge and experience will help us to protect the historic environment for present and future generations and to unleash its enormous potential to enhance the quality of all our lives."

Biographical Notes


Manish Chande
Manish Chande is Chief Executive of Mountgrange Capital plc, an investment company specialising in the property sector. Previously a chartered accountant, he became involved in property investment as Finance Director of Arbuthnot Properties and the Imry Group of Companies. In 1997, he co-established the Trillium Group and was Chief Executive prior to its acquisition by Land Securities plc in 2000. He joined the Board of Land Securities before resigning in 2002 to establish Mountgrange Capital. He has assisted in a number of important historic building restorations in Central London, including the conversion of St George's Hospital, Hyde Park Corner for the Lanesborough Hotel and the Royal Mint on Tower Hill.

53

Buttress,

18/11/2008 12:48:26
Mr Manish Chande

Manish is Chief Executive Officer of Mountgrange, which he joined in 2002 as a 50% owner. He has been in the in real estate business for 28 years.

Previously a Chartered Accountant, he became involved in property investment as Finance Director of Arbuthnot Properties and the Imry Group of Companies. In 1997, he co-established the Trillium Group and was Chief Executive prior to its acquisition by Land Securities plc in 2000. He joined the Board of Land Securities before resigning in 2002 to establish Mountgrange Capital. He has assisted in a number of important historic building restorations in Central London, including the conversion of St George’s Hospital, Hyde Park Corner for the Lanesborough Hotel and the Royal Mint on Tower Hill.

Manish Chande was appointed an English Heritage Commissioner in 2003.
In 2004, he became a Director of English Heritage Trading Ltd. Manish is also a member of the London Advisory Committee and the Business and Finance Committees.

http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/server/show/nav.11466
54

Arfur,

18/11/2008 12:53:17
49 Buttress - I said the moaners on this site. You will see that they are not all from this area - if you did a bit of reading!
55

Buttress,

18/11/2008 12:56:58
It's a World Heritage Site. Belongs to everyone.

56

Neale,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 13:19:17
City of Edinburgh Council - are you listening? This kind of arrogance will lead to a fall. If you think that you are above both the law and the voters then do so at your peril. People who thought they were untouchable have recently collected their P45’s and this includes politicians as well as bankers.

So now the Haymarket development has been ‘called in’ by the Scottish Government. I hope they are more honest than they were when resuscitating Mr Trumps’ plan. Voters have long memories and I’m sure the SNP just need to hear the word Glenrothes to remind them things can change. Take the genuine outrage at the Haymarket plan for what it is real honest disapproval and disgust at a hideous development where cash seems to be King.
57

Rap,

18/11/2008 13:29:41
Neale, I'm with you there mate. But I'm not convinced the reason Haymarket was called in was purely on the basis on public opinion and Scottish Executive planner common sense. It has been suggested that timing has played a serendipitous part in this, with the UNESCO visit, Trump's shoo-in (thanks Alex), credit crunch, etc, and I have to agree, unfortunately. It would be nice to think that it was purely down to someone in the Executive seeing sense, so we could always rely on the fact they'd be the last bastion of poor planning, but it's more worrying that it probably isn't the case.

Still, an inquiry is an inquiry, but it is just a shame that it's too late for Caltongate, but it does set a new standard for St. James Centre and Haymarket Station redevelopment. I hope.
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Old Town Resident,

edinburgh 18/11/2008 14:21:27
watch our very own planning leader Jim Lowrie in action at
www.independentrepublicofthecanongate.blogspot.com
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Buttress,

18/11/2008 14:32:17
Wonderful!

Thanks for that - isn't youtube useful!


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Buttress,

18/11/2008 14:40:15
And thanks for the link to the INVICTA site:

"What We Did
Invicta Public Affairs provided a full political, community and media engagement programme, including dealing with an organisedand determined militant campaign group, Save Our Old Town. The
core element of our approach was to launch a full frontal public engagement campaign with the local and wider Edinburgh Old Town community. One critical element of this was the establishment of the
Caltongate Liaison Group, which brought together representatives from over 20 local and city-wide stakeholder groups who met on a quarterly basis to review and input into the proposals. Regular media
coverage of each new aspect of the scheme was carefully controlledand coordinated by Invicta along with the ongoing engagement with local and national politicians. MORI Scotland was also engaged to
conduct a public opinion survey - which provided robust results on what the public felt about the development plans - to present to local stakeholders and politicians. Media interest in this project was high and Invicta had to provide a proactive media briefing to keep on top of the campaign group opposing the development.

What We Achieved
The Caltongate project requires the demolition of two C-listed buildings, the Canongate Venture and the Sailors Ark, as well as delivering a major development project in a UNESCO World Heritage site. In addition, it involves removal of existing tenements
on Edinburgh’s Royal Mile. Despite these debits to Edinburgh’s heritage, which created much objection in the local area as well as an organised protest group, the credits achieved by the development to what is essentially a run-down part of Edinburgh and a derelict
former bus depot were ultimately effectively conveyed to the local and wider Edinburgh community as well as local stakeholders and politicians. Thanks to Invicta’s contribution, the planning committee
of the City of Edinburgh Council voted with an overwhelming majority in favou
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Buttress,

18/11/2008 14:41:10
cont favour of the Caltongate development concept. This decision was
then ratified by the Scottish Government and a public inquiry was avoided. The detailed delivery of the project will now commence and Invicta are fully engaged by Mountgrange to assist with that process
and maintain public, political and media support..."

Organised and militant eh?

But oh dear the PR spinners spinning...

http://www.invictapa.co.uk/casestudy_mountgrange.pdf
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Buttress,

18/11/2008 14:42:22
"With Invicta’s support and excellent tactical implementation, we have effectively strengthened our
ties with the community and earned the support of key stakeholders. Invicta has a professional
and forward-thinking team who understood our issues and worked skilfully with our team to help
us sidestep landmines. We are delighted with the positive results of multiple planning applications
being approved for our signature Caltongate project in Edinburgh. Our business objectives were
achieved and our expectations exceeded."

Nick Berry, Partner, Mountgrange Capital

Smirk.
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Studio Space,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 14:44:14
http://www.architecturescotland.co.uk/features/241/Power_100.html

Many congratulations to Allan Murray, number 2 on the Prospect Power list of the most infleuntial designers in Scotland. Well done too Alan Dunlop, Richard Murphy and Malcolm Fraser.
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Neale,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 15:00:54
I agree it may be too late for some developments (developments? I actually mean building sites!) If you do want to make a point about plans for the Haymarket Supersized site being called in by the Scottish Govt, contact the Directorate for Planning and Environmental Appeals can be accessed at
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/Built-Environment/planning/decisions-appeals/Appeals/ContactUs/Q/editmode/on/forceupdate/on

The Directorate for Planning and Environmental Appeals suggested anyone could write to: jayne.hollas@scotland.gsi.gov.uk

Do it now instead of moaning about it after the event.
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Rap,

18/11/2008 15:05:33
Hope you aren't referring to me moaning after the event Neale? Believe me, I'm already on the list of people who will be having my say. And I have a lot to say. I'd like to think my little contribution helped get the call in, a long with lots of other residents, but I'm not convinced a lot of luck and timing didn't help.
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Rap,

18/11/2008 15:07:47
I would also add that the Planning Advisor at the Executive has said they haven't yet transferred the files to the Built Environment team, and it is likely to take a couple of weeks. So, don't expect any instant responses as they probably haven't got a funationing team for the inquiry yet.
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Buttress,

18/11/2008 15:14:39
Inquiries take a long time to put it all together.

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Neale,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 15:16:13
No Rap, your comments were appreciated. I was reminding other readers that direct action speaks louder than post event groans. Forward the e-mail address to all your contacts once it has been passed over. If not it will likely get a rubber stamp.
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Buttress,

18/11/2008 15:17:59
63

Yes well, it's all a spot subjective.

Wish Mr Wilson would get his rants/ stories from somewhere other than the Evening News though, then they might even be accurate.

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Studio Space,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 15:21:52
I'll now look forward to seeing Caltongate complete

1. What have been your key achievements in the past year?
2. What are your ambitions for the future?
3. What are your fears for the future?
4. What will be the next big thing in your sector?
5. Who is your business role model? And why?
6. Who is your favourite architect and why?

Allan Murray
Managing Director, Allan Murray Architects


1. We have been concentrating on steering some major projects through the complex consultative planning process.

2. I spent a lot of my formative years in America, and we've always had an ambition to do some projects there. Closer to home, however, it is important that we deliver some of the urban design and public spaces that we've been working on over the past four or five years.

3. Less a fear and more a concern that the terms of the debate on the future shape of Scotland are currently too narrow, prejudicing a particular aesthetic view over everything else. Scotland faces some very significant challenges in the coming decades, not just economic. I think we as a society need to be in better intellectual shape to address these.

4. At Caltongate, in the heart of the Old Town, we are going to build the Uk's biggest ground source heating and cooling system to provide energy to several buildings. There is no doubt we will see a significant drive for more energy efficiency buildings in the coming years. An interesting question is how this is going to manifest itself in urban design and architecture and how many of the nascent technologies prove themselves in practice.

5. We don't have one we just get on with it.

6. My old professor at Harvard Rafael Moneo continues to be a strong influence. He is a quiet, thoughtful man with a great intellect. His critique of architects and architecture is always carefully considered and balanced.
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Buttress,

18/11/2008 15:26:57
Yeah, read it, you some relation?

That's Allan 'Caltongate or Edinburgh will die' Murray. Allan 'Omni' Murray.

Yawn.

It's such a pity that the GSHP won't be powering the 'affordable housing' though. The poor folk have been shuffled off site to another bit near the railway.

Well, they might hang the washing oot in the 'public' square, and put folks off their Starbucks.

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Rap,

18/11/2008 15:30:51
Hey, Studio Space, we've all declared our interests in these developments, what's yours eh?
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It's me!,

18/11/2008 15:40:01
Time for a judicial review
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Studio Space,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 15:40:17
Many good wishes also to Mountgrange and to Richard Murphy at Haymarket and for a succesful conclusion to his proposals.
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Rap,

18/11/2008 15:44:58
Jackanory, Jackanory
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Buttress,

18/11/2008 15:46:13
Oh yawn yawn yawn.

It will be interesting to see which of Murphy's pals turn up at the inquiry. Maybe some of those who supported his house too, by writing (perfectly legally) to the planning authority in support.

Some of them seemed also to be employed by him I recall reading here.

Yes, I can see them all, Dunlop, Murray and Fraser etc turning up at the inquiry in support of Tiger Tower...

Now didn't some design review body or other say it was not really that great? Or am I mistaken?














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Seb,

18/11/2008 15:47:36
If only Allan M were as good as Rafael Moneo, if only... but he is trying to ape him on the Sth Bridge. Doesn't pull it off, but he's trying.
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Buttress,

18/11/2008 15:57:34
http://www.architectsjournal.co.uk/news/dailynews/ads_raises_haymarket_concerns_for_third_time.html
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Studio Space,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 16:02:32
Thanks also to Dr Mechtild Rossler

World Heritage Status Red Herring
As predicted Edinburgh's WHS is not threatened (if it was lost UNESCO would lose its leverage, simple). Unesco delegates announced 15 Nov 2008 that the capital's status was safe.

Inspectors visited Edinburgh w/c 10 Nov. They investigated planned demolition of two listed buildings. But the status of the Scottish capital was declared to be out of danger after UNESCO's Dr Rossler said the demolition was an "exceptional" situation.

Dr Mechtild Rossler (Unesco World Heritage Centre chief), said she was satisfied with controversial plan to demolish two C-listed buildings at Calton Gate:-

Alan Dunlop

What is extraordinary is that such self selected groups are permitted to quality assure our built environment in the face of statutory, democratic and architectural principles.

By focusing only on the need to protect heritage and seeming to disregard all else, these organisations inhibit the proper functioning of the planning process. Moreover their drive to preserve particular buildings or city areas in aspic is insular, self seeking and regressive.

Cities are living organisms. They need to change and to adapt to different times. It is inherently dangerous to gift their development to small coteries who aim to restrict their growth to the shape of the past.

and Paul Tanner

“By definition World Heritage Sites are must-see locations that provide an experience that cannot be found anywhere else” is a great exaggeration. Goodness – sites on the “List” contain as many as 152 current and former cathedrals and there are something like 100 inscribed European towns alone - including many Michelin 1 and 2** towns which you would think twice about leaving the auto-route to see! But not :- Amsterdam, Dublin, Cambridge or many others which also provide “unique experiences”. Indeed Cambridge is quoted as declining to go for inscription because of the downsides (“The Politics of World Heritag
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Rap,

18/11/2008 16:04:58
Ah, no surprise if you read the ADS comments as they came out. But I still had to listen to a Tiger person tell me ADS supported their plans. Not sure how he convinced himself that report was support, but he was happy. But that headline makes it quite explicit. Thank you Buttress.
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 18/11/2008 16:08:38
Buttress

Good morning, madame.

As usual, you are ever helpful in these matters and I will go over AGAIN your postings since they contain so much information and cross-references that are helpful to we who are not as knowlegeable as thee.

Were you able to go to WIKIPEDIA and the OTTAWA article?

There are some fabulous photos there and I have gone to Wikipedia on Edinburgh and Glasgow and they are ALMOST as well-researched.

I was not, at first attempt, to get to the article in The Times that you cited but I AM persistent and anything recommended by you MUST be apt.

It is snowing here with rain to come after and I think I will bake a chicken or two with dumplings to get me out of my doldrums.

PLEASE have a stress-free and glorious day, m'dear.
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Studio Space,

Edinburgh 18/11/2008 16:10:04
Yes indeed, thank you buttress. Could'nt have been done without you
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Rap,

18/11/2008 16:10:11
Studio Space, forgive me for asking, but can you actually read as well as Ctrl C and Ctrl V? Like the article at the top of this page? Thought not.

Try and copy all the waffle you want. Haymarket is up for public inquiry. Spin on that 17 storey tower.
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Buttress,

18/11/2008 16:10:40
Yeah well - related to Welsh and Tanner are you?

Such a pity quite a lot of that ranting over there is wildly inaccurate. Shame that the quotes are from a newspaper and not what was actually said at the press call, isn't it?

The WHS was never on the danger list, and it was an investigative mission, that's all.

Doesn't of course mean it won't be in future, but at the moment it's safe.

Tanner's (remind me who he is again?) stuff is hugely amusing. Well, he's entitled to his opinion.

Shame that the self-selected Mr Dunlop got so much very wrong too. He did make rather a t*t of himself over that. Should do his homework.