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Trouble cooking over plans for Old Town snack kiosks



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Published Date: 13 August 2008
A ROW has erupted over plans for two new outdoor snack kiosks in the heart of Edinburgh's world heritage site.
The French Connection takeaway firm, which already operates in the Grassmarket, wants to open a new outlet outside the National Museum of Scotland on Chambers Street.

This has drawn protests from the Old Town Community Council, which believes it w
ould encourage antisocial behaviour and "present the wrong image" to tourists.

At the same time, Edinburgh University wants to open a snack trailer selling sandwiches and panini in nearby Bristo Square, at "attractive prices" designed to help cash-strapped students.

But both applications have fallen foul of city planning officials, who believe the mobile units would be "unacceptable" given their historic surroundings.

City councillors on the licensing board will decide whether to grant permission on Friday.

Jean-Francois Toulouze's French Connection crêpe and hot dog kiosks in the Grassmarket have operated for over a decade and provide an alternative, healthier post-night out snack to the usual diet of burgers, pizzas and kebabs. The Chambers Street outlet would be open from 8am until 11pm.

He said: "I fully appreciate that the stance is within a world heritage site, and, as such, a presumption against trading exists, but this is an area of public entertainment that already includes bars, Indian restaurants, pizza restaurants and various businesses. What it does not have is a pavement option offering fast, reasonably-priced food."

He added: "The main drive of my business is daily residents and tourists, not night-time drinkers. Alcohol fuels antisocial behaviour, not quality food."

Mr Toulouze said managers at the museum have told him they have no objections to the plans. But Samuel Piacentini, licensing member of the Old Town Community Council, has urged councillors to throw out the application.

In a letter, he wrote: "The facility will encourage loitering of persons whom have consumed alcohol within the area, and will also encourage antisocial behaviour."

City planners added that the kiosk would be in an "unacceptable position".

Edinburgh University's trailer would be positioned on the walkway between McEwan Hall and the Potterow student union building, open from 8am until 10pm.

Manager David Mulligan said: "This is the first time the University of Edinburgh has made such an application, as we only recently have developed a mobile unit which can be put into a location daily.

"We are able to provide a range of catering, including coffees and teas, cold drinks, panini, sandwiches and confectionery to both staff and students at much more attractive prices than perhaps charged by high street operators.

"It is in part a service to our students, who are finding their levels of disposable income being stretched further year-on-year. The other benefit is that the public will be able to purchase items which are attractively priced."

Mr Mulligan also pointed out that several other privately-run food and drink stalls operate in the area.





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  • Last Updated: 13 August 2008 11:32 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Edinburgh planning issues
 
1

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 13/08/2008 12:16:00
"But both applications have fallen foul of city planning officials, who believe the mobile units would be "unacceptable" given their historic surroundings."

Perhaps if they were horse-drawn that might fit in better with not only the historic surroundings and the stoneage attitude of the Planning Dept.
2

Jock MacSprog,

13/08/2008 12:17:23
So why is it acceptable to park a naff ice cream van right on the plaza near the Nat Gallery and RSA ?
3

Shorething,

13/08/2008 12:45:50
Crepes are well known for encouraging anti social behaviour aren't they?!
4

YummyMummy,

13/08/2008 12:59:14
At 10-11pm, i don't think theres going to be that many people drunk to the point of causing anti-social behavour.
5

JayDeeTee,

13/08/2008 13:00:26
#2. Ice cream vans may cause anti-social behaviour as well. Saw a man standing beside this van last week, covering his head in hundreds and thousands.

Think he topped himself..
6

Jasbar,

13/08/2008 13:03:12
Isn't it time to take away our take away society?

Aren't we all fed up with seeing people eating on the street. With discarded food and wrappings?

Why do we have to suffer in-your-face munchers everywhere we go?

This isn't cafe culture, it's slob culture.


7

gordon aka smoker and proud,

edinburgh 13/08/2008 13:05:50
At the same time, Edinburgh University wants to open a snack trailer selling sandwiches and panini in nearby Bristo Square, at "attractive prices" designed to help cash-strapped students.
can someone please explain that one to me?
why have most of the pubs in the area over the past few years changed to "student" pubs? cash strapped? bl00dy most of them are doing an art degree or some other useless thing and sponging, but they can afford to go out everyday and night to pubs,take up all the space and fill the room with verbal diarrhea and attitude.the serious students have to try and finance themselves and you never really see them out, ie. medical,legal finance etc. but this crappy design,art,sociology etc...what the he11 do they ever do with it? make em work!


8

Journalistic licence,

On the Plaza 13/08/2008 13:17:08
We can't have this. There will be hot dogs crêpeing all over the place.
9

YummyMummy,

13/08/2008 13:26:29
#8

LOL! Brilliant.
Wonder why the kiosk outside the Sheraton Hotel hasn't been mentioned?
10

D2,

13/08/2008 13:40:00
#2 Different scenario. The van is mobile and can be taken off the site -kiosks can't. Also the van is not there at 11 at night to serve the antisocial element Mr Piacentini is talking about. I notice he does not mention tourists -presume he means his antisocial neighbours going to their local!
11

tomias,

Edinburgh 13/08/2008 13:45:42
Market Forces!
12

Uncle Piehead,

Edinburgh 13/08/2008 14:43:19

they should turn the Holyrood building into a giant snack kiosk.

13

considerthis,

Leith 13/08/2008 16:47:42
I think there are pluses and minuses- there would be less anti-social behaviour and more munching from the 'drunken louts' and I like the atmosphere i've come across at similar stalls in citys around the world. Litter would be a problem though.
14

Bigwull,

edinburgh 13/08/2008 17:08:37
Chambers Street,old town? not quite
15

Regular visitor,

Edinburgh 13/08/2008 17:35:13
All this is aimed at preventing visitor Randolph of the checkered trousers from falling off the waggon and the public spectacle of rivalling John Prescott for gorging on Angus Burgers et al. Its where the vendors wash their hands which worries me.....
16

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

13/08/2008 20:35:03
let them all eat cake
17

Kitti Kat,

Newtown Square 13/08/2008 21:08:04
I don't know too many college students who are "cash strapped" but it's one thing to put a snack trailer on a college campus but kiosks near a heritage site? Come on, have a little classs! Of course they would probably enhance the area around that awful waste of taspayers money that sits at the end of the Royal Mile across from the palace of Holyrood. Agree with #6 - it will also cause more litter. No matter how many trash cans are in the area of the kiosks, most people will eat while walking or find a bence and throw the trash in the street or sidewalk when finished. bad idea for kiosks any place!!
18

JulesF,

13/08/2008 21:16:55
The reason these applications have fallen foul of the Council planning department is purely due to the fact that they both intended to use tills, had they deployed the 'honesty box' solution they would both have been uncontested !

 

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