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Furious taxi drivers told faulty cabs must stay off the road



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Published Date: 23 September 2008
DOZENS of taxi drivers have been told their vehicles may be off the road indefinitely because of a fault which can cause them to burst into flames.
A total of 44 TX4-type cabs have been taken off the streets in Edinburgh, and yesterday those affected were "red-stickered", which saw them issued with a notice branding them "unfit for purpose".

David Gillan, 45, and his brother Robert, 36, share a taxi affiliated to Central Taxis.

Robert was driving the taxi when it caught fire on Frogston Road West in February and the pair are trying to recoup £10,000 of lost earnings and expenses caused by the faulty cab.

They had the vehicle repaired, and it was checked along with all affected TX4s by the Edinburgh Cab Office last week, only for it to be taken off the road again yesterday.

David said: "It came across the meter that all the cab drivers were to go into the office.

"Now I can't use the vehicle until further notice. It is my sole income and it is very difficult to get my head round it. I'm just worrying how I'm going to put food on the table for my family.

"Until such time (cab makers] LTI can guarantee these taxis are not going to catch fire again, none of us are working. They don't know what the problem is."

The problem, which affects TX4 cabs with a 56 registration, has also hit 500 cabs in London.

Mr Gillan said Transport for London was discussing compensation for the London taxi drivers affected, but said there had been no similar moves in Edinburgh.

Another driver, who did not want to be named, said: "All TX4 black cabs have been ordered back to the cab office.

"They've never done this before. The drivers are livid. They had the clean bill of health when they were checked out last week."

LTI has launched an investigation into the cause of the fires, which have affected at least two Edinburgh cabs.

A spokesman for LTI said: "LTI appreciates the seriousness of this situation and the impact this decision will have on drivers and owners and would like to assure customers that it is applying every effort to resolve the problem.

"An extensive study is being conducted involving both LTI and external expert engineers to establish the root cause of and liability for the problem.

"We recommend that drivers of the affected '56' plate vehicles make arrangements to share or rent another black cab to mitigate their losses and retain an accurate record of any costs incurred. When the engineering investigation has established liability LTI will be able to advise affected drivers of what compensation will be available and from whom."

Edinburgh City Council confirmed 44 vehicles were taken off the road. Lothian and Borders Police, which runs the cab office, made no comment.


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  • Last Updated: 23 September 2008 11:08 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Edinburgh Council
 
1

Hibs fc - Dublin,

23/09/2008 11:52:42
Dont feel sorry for those guys one lil bit,
prices they charge are terrible,
2

Hibs fc - Dublin,

23/09/2008 11:54:11
You rarely see a thin taxi driver,
99% are heefers,
too many pie's i'd say,

Nope do not feel sorry for them..
3

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 23/09/2008 11:54:54
If they don't know what is causing this, they'd better find out damn quickly. It can't honestly be that difficult can it?

And have you ever heard of a manufacturer "guaranteeing" that a vehicle will not catch fire? That will never happen. I take it that what is meant is really that the cause is diagnosed.
4

Heavy Metal Jambo,

23/09/2008 12:01:21
#1
You do realise of course that it's the council that charge those prices, not the taxi driver.

But don't let that get in the way of the chance to have a dig.
5

Artemis,

23/09/2008 12:09:10
I appreciate it must be difficult for cab drivers whose livelihood is off the road, but did none of them think to take out insurance against loss of earnings?
6

James2122,

23/09/2008 12:20:45
Achhh they get their own lanes, but they still go about stopping on double yellow lines, doing crappy u-turns etc. etc.
7

alex paterson,

edinburgh 23/09/2008 12:25:55
Good,take all the black cabs of the road they charge far to much,go private hire.
8

Trams shams,

23/09/2008 12:26:25
Good!
9

Hector the Red,

23/09/2008 12:28:32
put them back on the road and we can play taxi roulette!
10

fruitmachine,

Edinburgh 23/09/2008 12:30:22
#4 get your facts right.

The council REGULATE the fares. The drivers charge them.

#1 is right.
11

Daft Old Git,

23/09/2008 12:31:46
I wonder if any of you lot that moan about taxi prices have ever been in one in another city. Most are dearer. Aberdeen is horrendous £4.00 as soon as you get in. Glasgow's cheaper but they are all old bangers. I use them a lot and find Edinburgh prices are fair. They haven't gone up in years


12

Jambos United,

23/09/2008 12:32:07
#4
The council only cap the amuont the taxi's can charge, they do not make them charge the max!!

The taxi drivers want them to go up!
13

Daft Old Git,

23/09/2008 12:33:12
#7
I think it's been said many times...private hire charge the same metered rates
14

Jambos United,

23/09/2008 12:33:57
#11
obviously you dont use Ednburgh taxi's often they have gone up considerably in the last 5 years, the name suits!!
15

JayDeeTee,

23/09/2008 12:36:01
Probably catching fire as a result of suddenly jamming the brakes on to do another bloody U turn.
16

Daft Old Git,

23/09/2008 12:45:30
#15 Last rise was in 2006. Can't think of many other things that haven't gone up in that time. If you don't like them don't use them
17

alex patersons English teacher,

23/09/2008 12:58:51
7
you still visiting laddies off the night.
18

Zugspitze,

23/09/2008 13:06:33
Whilst I am sorry that they are suffering a loss of earnings, surely the safety of the public and the drivers themselves are the top priority. All it would take was for one of them to go up in flames and the driver not be able to unlock the passengers doors and a serious tragedy would follow.
If the drivers can't see that then I sure as hell don't want to ride in THEIR taxi!
19

Linmal,

Livingston 23/09/2008 13:07:56
#5 Insurance for loss of earnings can be prohibitively expensive.

Surely if there is a fault with these taxis then the manufacturer should be making good the losses through their insurance?

Time to get together and get a legal claim going with your colleagues boys - there's strength in numbers!
20

Farmernot,

23/09/2008 13:16:18
Lets round them all up and set fire to them on November 5th. Then wait around 5 more years for oor trams to get us fae A-B
21

Barbapapa,

Edinburgh 23/09/2008 13:30:50
#7 Personally I wouldn't use a private cab anywhere, Edinburgh or not. Pricey though they are, at least they are insured and regulated even if the new cabs are liable to go up in a puff of smoke. All a lot of them do (the drivers I mean) is either moan about the cost of their cabs or just droan on and on and on about how fantastic their cabs are. Never happy.
22

familymanwith2jobsandawifeworkingfulltime,

EDinburgh 23/09/2008 13:34:30
The usual round of hatered comments toward the taxi driver never fails to amaze me.

If taxi drivers are making so much money, why isn't everyone doing it - there are countless positions currently available for taxi drivers.

The fares haven't went up for over two years and all the running costs have increased dramatically - meaning the drivers have seriously had their wages cut in the process. Can you imagine what the people moaning above would say if they had their pay cut. Other workers go on strike if their pay increase isn't enough, never mind being reduced.

I for one don't envy the owners whose vehicles are off the road. Can you imagine the HP payments on a £30K vehicle, not to mention all the other costs, radio, insurance etc etc there must be also. All has to found every week, whether the taxi is working or not.

At least the private hire car is the family vehicle - doesn't make much difference whether its working or not, as most of us still require a car anyway.
23

spiritussancti,

Edinburgh 23/09/2008 13:42:18
why bother moaning so much...legally, it is a criminal offence to sell an unroadworthy vehicle unless the reason is specified. let the dust settle, establish that it is official that all mk4's are unroadworty then go back and claim your money back or you will pursue a claim against said vendor for a crime!!! sometimes a wee bit of rational thought before hysterics can help.
in the meantime, go get another unskilled job, there's plenty around...god forbid you might actually have to look for one...
24

alex paterson,

edinburgh 23/09/2008 13:50:20
#17

All the time,lovely people,and the girls are not bad either.
25

celtic4,

USA 23/09/2008 14:06:57
#18, Apparently the public safety doe not matter to these drivers if they are complaining about being off the road when the cabs could catch fire and burn them and passengers to death.
The companies need to locate the problem and repair it. Then they could get on with earning their pay. Sad story.
26

J4cko,

23/09/2008 14:17:06
Safety should be first priority, not income.
27

Heavy Metal Jambo,

23/09/2008 14:21:15
#10
That's just semantics. Charges applied by the council on drivers are high. Fuel costs are high. Running costs are high. Hence, fares are high - although as pointed out, they are higher in some other cities around the country.

You don't like it, take the bus. That's what I do anyway.
28

alex patersons English teacher,

23/09/2008 14:27:18
26
Oh deer.
29

Disgruntled Black cab customer,

23/09/2008 14:57:01
As much as I don't like black taxi's, and have been ripped off by them numerous times and now use private hire, I do sympathise with these guys who have lost their liveliehood, all be it until the manufacturer admits liability.

Half the comments here are out of order, these guys have to live too.

#22 might add if a phc car is off the road this is the drivers only income too, so get a grip.
30

aurorablue,

23/09/2008 15:27:17
i feel sorry for those drivers that spend hours transporting lazy people in order to feed their families, compo should be made available
31

Andrew,

23/09/2008 16:14:25
Can they all ban from the roads all the rattle-trap/death-trap apologies for local ('quick-as-winkie') buses creaking and groaning AND FALLING TO PIECES around our major cities?
32

alex paterson,

edinburgh 23/09/2008 16:20:40
#24
Hey we all like a joke,happily married with a few kids.
33

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

23/09/2008 16:28:05
Tam Paton is furious as well, being remanded on drug charges when he has a heart condition.
34

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

23/09/2008 16:29:08
the other taxi drivers will be rubbing their hands with glee as there will be less competition on the roads
35

Diana,

Edinburgh 23/09/2008 17:15:21
I read earlier that not only did these taxis catch fire, but the rear passenger doors lock at the same time. I wouldn't want to be the passenger stuck inside when the cab goes up in flames.

I hope they get the problem sorted. I have to admit that the first thought that came to mind was "sabotage". The taxi in London that caught fire last week was apparently engulfed in only 45 seconds. Lucky there were no passengers in at the time.
36

Kitti Kat,

Newtown Square 23/09/2008 17:47:58
Sorry that the taxi drivers are losing money but suppose they and their passengers became seriously injured or dead because the taxi had problems? DAmages paid for injury or death to a passenger would be far more than correcting the problem. Perhaps they should look into getting loss of earnings insurance. I use taxis while in Edinburgh all the time so I hope that the problem is corrected before my next trip over.
37

Grumpy,

23/09/2008 18:52:34
Sad that the black cabs are losing money out of this - this will only encourage even more mini cabs (sorry, private hire) to steal their business. Maybe the black cabs are dearer, but at least the drivers take you where you want to go and don't get confused by english spellings on their sat-navs.

I think the black cab drivers should claim on London Taxis - if it were a standard car, it would have been recalled by now to get a manufacturer's warranty repair. On a two year old taxi, the drivers should expect more.

PS - I don't actually like taxi drivers, but I do respect that they have a living to make, and I'd rather then earn money honestly than scrounge of the state.
38

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

23/09/2008 19:04:56
Alex, you can't get the cans - they're mine, won fair & square & are non transferrable - as well as being empty now.
39

easy money,

brazil 23/09/2008 19:22:29
taxi drivers are scum....

no sympathy...

these guys are mainly ex cons and druggies out to rip us all off ay any cost.....
40

TrollJester,

Mrs Mennies Delightful Drinking Establishment 23/09/2008 20:26:50
The only people that are scum are bigotted, ignorant and shallow minded...a bit like you 'easy money'!
By the way what do you do for a living?
41

TrollJester,

23/09/2008 20:58:36
Ex cons & druggies???
The taxi trade is highly regulated, if you'd like to apply for a badge you better be:
1: Be over 23 (preferably 25) years old.
2: Hold a current full & clean driving licence for at least 4 years. Any blemishes inluding parking fines even if they've lapsed must be declared. And you will be questioned about these by the Local Police Cabs officer.
3: Pass the local knowledge test (only a 90% pass is acceptable)
4: Have an 'Enhanced Disclosure' criminal record check.
Any blemishes on this no matter how old will be scutinised by the licencing authority in association with aforementioned police 'cabs officer', thouroughly examined and if (only if mind you) they'll invite you along for a full explanation in front of the whole licencing board ( a public event).
5: If they do decide you're ok and give you a taxi licence. You better keep your nose clean, because you will go through this process annually for the next three years.
6: Every two years a new application with enhanced disclosure is required. Fee approx £200
So, kind of puts paid to any of your scurrilous suggestions.

Also, as a former p/t taxi driver, your assumption that taxi drivers always rip you off is wholly mistaken. Just think about it? Why would I take a route that may be say 1/2 a mile longer and gain me 40-60p on the meter, and potential grief from a customer??
If you can't guess I'll tell you...My objective is to get you to your destination as quickly as possible, get you out the cab asap, because I want to be cleared for the next job and therefore the next standing charge (approx £2.40 - £4.50 depending on the time of day).
Taxi fares are set by the local authority licencing authority and the meters are set and calibrated and sealed annually by a government agency, and I've yet to hear of any taxi owner daring to tamper with one!
If they did, they will be caught and instantly be on a criminal fraud charge and bye bye livlihood.
So all you knockers of taxi drivers
42

TrollJester,

23/09/2008 20:59:58
Just get a grip.
Seems you're all paranoid fantasy mongers.
43

TrollJester,

23/09/2008 21:15:03
The list above by the way is just to get your badge.
Useful personal attributes include:
Being very tolerant and diplomatic and thick skinned.
Be prepared to work unsocial hours with the attendant unsocial A***holes like 'easy money'.
Put up with non-payers, threats, intimidation and actual physical violence.
Listen to the most innane drivel, yelping and incoherent drunks etc. this list goes on ad infinitum.
Then you may be called upon to be a kind ear to someone breaking their heart and contemplating suicide.
Clean up somebody elses spew /piss. Ussually happens early in a shift and puts you off the road for at least 24hrs.
This lot is only for starters, I could go on y'know...
But thank god I only had to do it for 4yrs while a student.
Taxi-drivers come from all walks, I know guys that are/were engineers, teachers, managers, social workers, students and many people developing other other businesses.


44

Finbarr Saunders,

23/09/2008 21:20:06
#42- TrollJester - That was a very informative post and dispels some of the myths about taxi drivers.

Unfortunately, you failed to explain why black cab drivers have so little regard for other road users with their total disregard for the Highway Code.

I've seen so many ignorant, selfish taxi drivers obstructing or cutting up other road users that I now just tar them all with the same brush.

I hope that that their death-trap taxis are taken off the road for good and they don't get a penny compensation.
45

Woody47,

23/09/2008 21:21:22
I thought taxi drivers didn't make much money so how much time is the £10k supposed to represent in lost earnings. Would be intersted to see accounts for previous year.
46

Plantagenet,

23/09/2008 23:18:09
If you guys out there don't like taxi drivers then don't use them, if I had the choice between a lengthy Taxi journey costing say, ten quid plus a generous tip or a Lothian bus costing £1.10p for the same journey, no contest, bus every time, and dont forget you will have the trams to look forward to, they too will be cheaper than the taxi and you won't have to listen to all that drivel that taxi drivers seem to think we want to hear for the duration of the journey.
47

Finbarr Saunders,

24/09/2008 00:24:00
#47 - plantagenet - I don't use taxis.

Unfortunately, I do have to share the road with them.
48

The real dracula,

24/09/2008 01:35:26
#45 I dont think taxi drivers are that discorteous on the roads , they let you out of junctions etc and in the main seem to adhere to the road signs.
Plus their job isnt all fun , thik of the nights when they have to pic up loadmouth obnoxious drunks fighting , peeing and vomiting in their cabs.

By far the worst culprits for ignoring other road users and making their lives a misery are
In 3rd place we have white van man/woman

In 2nd place the bus driver

In first place , a clear outstanding winner ,,,,,the CYCLIST ( the true bane of every road and pavement users life)
49

Julian.,

edinburgh 24/09/2008 02:08:13
#15 Daft old git,

Actually, the last fare rise was a few weeks ago. And even the one before that in 2006 bears no resemblance to your statement that fare haven't gone up in years.

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/latestnews/Hardup-cabbies-secure-a-fare.4298002.jp
50

Julian.,

edinburgh 24/09/2008 02:18:26
Plantaganet,

Yes, you're right we don't have to use them. But can you tell me why these vehicles receive special priviliges like being able to drive in bus lanes, even when they have no passengers, while the rest of us are stuck in massive queues?
51

spiritussancti,

Edinburgh 24/09/2008 09:46:07
regarding poor road manners....anyone else noticed that a lot of cars these days don't come with indicators...either that or they are mysteriously put out of action by going round roundabouts....
52

Daft Old Git,

24/09/2008 10:43:14
#50
That fare rise (a budget crippling 20 pence per journey) hasn't been approved yet. I think you'll find their costs have gone up somewhat more than that in the last couple of years
53

jdships,

24/09/2008 11:39:15
16 Daft Old Git,

I don't uise them because I can't afford their charges
End of !!
54

Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 26/09/2008 05:32:13
...and all because you have an appalling public transpot system!Many use them as there is no other real aternative.
The person who mentioned the "DANGER" to one and all should the vehicles suddenly catch fire, said it all.Some things never change,in China, it is called "Yao Qian,Bu Yao Ming". Craving money above lIFE!

 

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