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Published Date: 10 June 2009
THE world's largest renewable energy company wants to build Europe's five biggest wind farms in Scotland, The Scotsman can reveal.
Scotland is already home to the continent's biggest wind farm – Whitelee, near Glasgow, which boasts 140 turbines, each 110m high, and which generates enough electricity to power 180,000 homes.

But now its owner, Iberdrola Renewables, has told of plans to create at least three and, if possible, as many as five similar-sized wind farms in Scotland.

Keith Anderson, managing director of ScottishPower Renewables, spoke exclusively to The Scotsman at the headquarters of the firm's parent company, Iberdrola Renewables, in Valencia, Spain, yesterday.

"We will end up with a portfolio in Scotland where we will have three to five projects of that size or scale," he said.

The plan would mean Iberdrola finding new sites or building huge extensions to existing sites including the 54- turbine Black Law scheme in Lanarkshire, and Arecleoch in Ayrshire.

The Scottish Government is likely to welcome further investment in renewables as it has an ambitious target of producing 50 per cent of Scotland's electricity from renewable sources by 2020.

Ministers want as much of that as possible to come from offshore sources, either sea-based wind farms or from tidal and wave energy, but Iberdrola has made it clear that onshore wind farms are still a key part of its planning.

The Iberdrola plan would spark a furious backlash from countryside campaigners and other groups opposed to large-scale wind power developments. Scotland currently has 68 onshore wind farms with 878 turbines.

The Greens were last night delighted with the plans, estimating that five wind farms of the size of the current Whitelee development would generate the same electricity as one nuclear power station.

But Ramblers Scotland appealed for more wind farms to be built at sea and warned that there seemed to be a complete lack of an overall strategy on wind energy, with developers seemingly allowed to choose the sites of their wind farms, almost regardless of the environment.

Wind farms have proved hugely divisive, some locals strongly supportive and others bitterly opposed to developments.

However, Mr Anderson said that once wind farms are built, local communities become "hugely accepting" of them and they get "incredibly positive feedback". It then became easier to apply for extensions.

Mr Anderson suggested the best way forward for Iberdrola would be to increase capacity at existing sites. The companies have already been through the planning process to get them constructed, and there is also likely to be less public anger at expansion of an existing site.

"Going and finding a brand new never-been-looked-at, 500MW wind farm is difficult but what we are able to do is build extensions," he said.

The company has applied for a 53MW extension to Black Law wind farm, and Mr Anderson said they could also apply to expand the 60-turbine, 180mw Arecleoch farm in Ayrshire.

Mr Anderson did not rule out applying to build a large wind farm on Lewis – the proposed site of a highly controversial 181-turbine wind farm application that was turned down last year after attracting more than 5,000 letters of objection.

"I fundamentally believe there's a way of building a good scale project on Lewis. It's probably not the size and scale of the original, but I think we will definitely see the development of wind farm projects on Lewis and the other island communities."

Mr Anderson stressed onshore wind must not be forgotten due to the recent focus on offshore wind and marine renewables.

"Offshore is a big deal but it has kind of made people forget about onshore. But there's still a massive amount of work to do onshore. It's important that carries on."

Mr Anderson said: "For the UK to achieve European targets between now and 2020 there is a critical need for Scotland. Scotland will play the biggest part, certainly in onshore wind, towards the ability for the entire UK to meet these targets."

The massive Whitelee development was opened by Alex Salmond and Iberdrola's chairman, Ignacio Galán, last month, just after the company had been given permission to add a further 36 turbines to the 140 already on site.

The extension will increase capacity from 322 megawatts to 452MW, enough to power 250,000 homes.

Mr Galán told an international audience yesterday that Whitelee was one of his company's biggest achievements of the year, and he lavished praise on Mr Salmond for his support.

Mr Galán told The Scotsman:

"We are more than delighted with the support that we are receiving from the Scottish Government."

Renewables giant has plans for major offshore schemes

SCOTTISHPOWER Renewables also has major plans for offshore wind developments and tidal schemes, The Scotsman has learned.

The company is carrying out sealife and bird surveys, and exploring radar issues, before applying for planning permission for a massive offshore wind farm near Tiree.

Keith Anderson, the managing director of ScottishPower Renewables, said the firm would probably apply for planning permission for the Argyll Array wind farm of up to 1,800MW next year. This could see about 500 giant turbines built at sea.

However, the company revealed it also had plans for "far bigger" projects off the UK, as part of the Round 3 process of offshore wind development being carried out by the Crown Estate. He would not reveal whether the aim was to build these off the coast of Scotland or elsewhere off the UK.

ScottishPower Renewables is also hoping to install about 40 tidal devices in two sites off Scotland – one in the Pentland Firth and one off Islay.

It is also taking part in a process led by the Marine Estate into the use of the Pentland Firth for marine renewables schemes. It was announced on Monday that 20 companies had shown an interest in projects there.

Mr Anderson revealed: "We have submitted bids into the Pentland Firth process."

However, he said he could not disclose details of the schemes they were hoping to build, due to the Marine Estate's rules.

He thinks that by 2020 there will be up to 1,000MW of marine energy installed in the water around Scotland by various energy companies – equivalent to about 1,000 tidal devices.

"By 2020, if we have achieved that, we will be at the situation where we have proven devices, and then there's the potential for rapid growth," he added.

The firm is planning to use a device developed by Norwegian company Hammerfest Strom. Despite its foreign origins, Mr Anderson said he hoped it would be built in Scotland.

A real world power

IBERIAN powerhouse Iberdrola is the largest renewable energy operator in the world.

The Spanish-based energy giant is also one of the leading private electric utilities.

Based in the Basque city of Bilbao, Iberdrola has 16 million customers in several countries, including more than nine million in Spain.

The company covers all sectors of energy production, from transmission and distribution to the marketing of electricity and natural gas.

Iberdrola is also Spain's largest nuclear energy producer.

Operating largely in Spain for more than 100 years, Iberdrola has expanded rapidly recently, moving into other countries and acquiring foreign competitors.

It bought ScottishPower in April 2007. That merger created the third-largest utility in Europe, and the company now generates about 6,000 megawatts of renewable energy.

The price offered for ScottishPower by Iberdrola, which generates most of its energy from coal-fired power stations and natural gas, was 40 per cent higher than a bid a year earlier from E.ON of Germany.

In September last year, Iberdrola bought Energy East, a utilities company that serves 2.9 million customers in the north-east of the United States.

The building of the energy giant's new headquarters in Bilbao – the Iberdrola Tower – started in 2007. The structure, which will be 165m (540ft) high, was designed by the architect Cesar Pelli.




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1

Brianwci,

10/06/2009 00:13:00
Nobody loves the countryside more than me but much of Scotland borders on not particularly beautiful wilderness where the wind blows yer heid aff never mind yer bunnet.

Provided these wind farms are not smack dab in the middle of beauty spots of any kind and are unlikely to prohibit or interfere with future developments then they should go ahead now.

They might well be replaced by offshore farms and/or wave power in years to come but clearly land farms are easier, cheaper and the preferred option.

In the meantime why not offer nearby residents cheap or even free electricity for life as compensation for any inconvenience?
2

The Strategist,

10/06/2009 00:17:21
So much for developing a Scottish renewables technology sector.
3

JSP,

Australia 10/06/2009 00:18:51
While I think the future is in renewable energy it is interesting that there has been a backlash in Australia against windfarms from those living near them and even some environmentalists - usually on aesthetic grounds and the apparent effects on wildlife. They are still much better than having a nuclear or coal power station on the doorstep. Solar energy power stations are going in near us - another great alternative!
4

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 10/06/2009 00:28:49
#1 I think there are probably lots of people who love the countryside more than you.Your arrogant offer to buy off people whose locality is blighted by these wind farms is redolent of the poltical types who think they know best.
5

Jimmy Fae the West,

Hull 10/06/2009 00:40:28
Ah, don't you just love the deliberate naivety of those pretending that Scotland is not covered in Pylons, run down farms, stinking sheep, decaying long unprofitable farms, rusting barns, TV/radio masts and telephone relay stations? All the Wind farms are not nearly as much a blight on the landscape as a single sign declaring PRIVATE PROPERTY!

More power to a progressive thinking, future saving, nuclear rejecting, SNP government, setting the standards for all others to follow.

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10/06/2009 00:45:14
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Iainbroch,

10/06/2009 00:49:27
Stick them offshore!
8

nabodican,

Newton Stewart 10/06/2009 00:49:48
6&7
Are you guys so stupid that you think these wind turbines actually achieve anything other that profit for the developers.
Your love for wee fat Eck has blinded you to the fact that Scotland is being raped.
9

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 10/06/2009 01:05:35
#12 Why is that you are under the mistaken impression that anyone who disagrees with the cybernet apparatchiks of the SNP are New Labour.
I voted for Mr Mathieson in 1997. I might vote for him again and there again I may not.
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Barney Thomson,

Reading 10/06/2009 01:18:57
#8 #11
The BNP's energy "policy" seems to favour oil and coal based sourcing, though, as usual, it is far from clear.
Keep up the good(?) work
12

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 10/06/2009 01:27:46
#16 Apology accepted.
13

Theologist,

Auckland 10/06/2009 01:40:52
#9 IndependentlyInclined "You couldnt be more correct...there shouldnt be one inch of privately owned and controlled river or shoreline in Scotland...Thats the law in Australia and many other Nations that got rid of the London class system..when they booted out england..."

Not just England.....there were no more enthusiastic colonisers than the Scots...we are still suffering the fallout in the form of pipe bands.
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nabodican,

Newton Stewart 10/06/2009 02:07:17
"Independentlyinclined"
I have had a wee cup of tea and taken my medication, blood pressure is now normal.
The whole electricity business has turned into a circus.
First you create a state of fear(global warming/cooling or whatever) Then you claim to have the answer (wind turbines)
Then you falsify surveys such as the Mori poll on public attitudes to windfarms commissioned by the Scottish Executive when they were forced to withdraw a previous one by System 3.
The wind industry then get their people in at the highest level of governement as happened with David Still who at the time was boss of Amec Wind and Chairman of the BWEA. He was given the job of renewable energy advisor with the DTI by the then energy minister Brian Wilson, Patricia Hewit was the DTI boss at the time - she also happened to be ex Andersen Consulting who were up to their grubby armpits with Enron.
You then start to get the picture. Al Gore is at the helm and she spin machine by this time is at full speed and Alex Salmond et al have fallen for it hook line and sinker.
Hundreds of thousands of acres of Scotland turned over to the wind industry and all of us paying for it.
We are being led up the garden path and shafted.
15

Canada,

Canada 10/06/2009 02:33:10
What happens when the wind doesn't blow?
16

donald,

glasgow 10/06/2009 04:28:46
Let the wind blow high
Let the wind blow low
Through the fields
My windmills blow
Let Brian Wilson's bank manager shout hello
Scotland you're the losers.
17

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 10/06/2009 06:01:17
With respect to all posters who are anti-wind farm and blaming the government ...

It is not the SNP who is pushing through planning for wind farms. ANY government would have to.

This is all being driven by the European Union Energy Directive - Britain and Scotland has NO choice in the matter !

If you don't want windfarms - we need to get out of Europe so our politicians actually have a choice !!

Nobody wants to see a dirtier environment but windfarms and solar do NOT get rid of Power Stations nor do they significantly reduce CO2 emissions*.

*CO2's role in global warming is a total farce by the way - we are being totally deceived in order to raise tax revenues. You do know this, right ?
18

Angleland Isover,

10/06/2009 06:50:26
Let england stick with nuclear power plants they live in the past. Still dreaming of empire and thinking they have the worlds respect.
19

John S,

10/06/2009 07:30:43
The more Scotland's energy needs are provided by renewables ie wind the less need for nuclear power and the more need for fossil/hydro generation to follow the varying grid demand as well as baseload and back up generation for the renewables.

A £2 billion proposal for a 1,600 megawatt coal-fired power station at Hunterston.11 January 2009

A possible combined cycle gas turbine (CCGT) power station on the site of Cockenzie Power Station. 06 June 2009
20

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10/06/2009 08:10:50
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paulr,

edinburgh 10/06/2009 08:18:43
Why not sell the entire country to spain and be done with it, instead of letting them take it piece by piece.
A wonderfull picture of national security, our airports and power generation companies are all foreign owned.......
22

john z,

edinburgh 10/06/2009 08:43:44
This is good news. The nay sayers need a reality check. What do you want? a nuclear power station in your town, or a wind farm on the hills.

Sure, seeing wind farms in the hills does take away some of their natural beauty - but I'd rather have that than nuclear. Everyone seems to have forgotten Chernobyl - which we were assured was safe.

As for spain, it seems they are smarter than most - but as regards them ownership, well, here's he newsflash since way back in history large parts of Scotland have been owned by foreigners. I'd rather some Spaniards are involved than some saudi prince, as at least they are controlled by EU law.

This story is really good news for Scotland. The greens should be heaping praise on the SNP, as they are the most committed to renewable energy in the UK. London Labour is playing catch up, and is determined to take the easy, but damaging option of nuclear power.

Scotland has lots of wind, and its good the SNP are pushing wind, tidal and wave poer up to the top of the agenda.

Just think, if we had had a Labour government in Scotland, by now they would already be building the new nuclear power stations, with no investment in renewables.
23

john z,

edinburgh 10/06/2009 08:45:18
Oh, and that would be FRENCH nuclear power stations, by the way.
24

Rob Royston,

Bishopbriggs 10/06/2009 08:57:03
#34 paulr, Yes, it makes you wonder where all Spain's wealth comes from. Is it their own, or is it Global Business's, money? How much do they pay into the EU? Every time I fly into Madrid, I wonder who is paying for the massive amount of works in progress.

Regarding the power issue, Scotland should be pushing any inward investor for as much as possible of the development and fabricating work to be done here.
I know that we have all these EU rules, but if we have to bear the cost of the unsightly turbines and our seascape cluttered with offshore installations, then at least we will have had some compensation.
25

Dún Aenghus,

10/06/2009 09:24:37
Aye! and Scotland is also home to the world's biggest windbags, ie the Scottish labour party! lol!

SNP all the way!
26

fred bloggs,

Edinburgh 10/06/2009 09:27:31
Yet again nabodican claims 'wind power has not reduced coal burning' and 'global warming is a scam' yet he cannot offer a shred of evidence to support either of these ridiculous claims.

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10/06/2009 09:33:03
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10/06/2009 09:37:24
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nabodican,

Newton Stewart 10/06/2009 10:07:58
35 John Z - You are missing the point I am afraid. No matter how many turbines are put up, they will never result in the closure of a nuclear power station. In fact more will have to be built to back up the wind power.
How can you say it is good news for Scotland when we get little or no jobs, the profit goes abroad and it is us the consumer who are paying £52/mwh sussidy as well as the price of electricity plus the conventional power stations now want paid for providing back up. Now add in the cost of the Beauly Denny line which is a done deal between the SNP and the developers which we will also pay for. SSE even want to add on their costs for the enquiry. !!! Do you still think this is good for Scotland.
Good morning Fred Bloggs, I see you still misquote me and your love of turbines is blinding you to the truth.
Have you had a look at Whitelee ? Have you seen what is going on in South Ayrshire and the Galloway hills ? - 475ft monsters is what is going on.
I would suggest you check out the UK energy statistics if you wonder where I get my info. I have never denied global warming or indeed the global cooling we are now experiencing. Have a look at "Cryosphere Today" and look at the Arctic and Antartic ice data. The Antartic ice has not changed in the last 30 years and the Arctic had a marginal change over the last 10 years but is on the way up again.
The forecast rise in sea levels of 20 ft is a big con based on one measurement of 2.3mm at Singapore. The scientists concerned said "they had to show a trend" so they applied this world wide although there is not a shred of evidence to support this.
The main point however is that no matter how many wind turbines we put up, they will not reduce our CO2 emissions nor will they have any effect on the temperature of the planet.

Spagan : You are wrong, wrong. wrong !!
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mr broon,

Edinburgh 10/06/2009 10:19:55
Electricite De France(EDF),the French State-owned company which recently took a majority controlling interest in British Energy, the owner of the UK's nuclear power station, also has a renewables subsidiary called EDF Naturelle.

EDF Naturelle is planning and building wind farms across Europe.

The same opposition to windfarms exists in France as in the UK and rest of Europe but this massive French company is building huge onshore windfarms weherever it can get planning permission.

It intends to build several large onshore windfarms in England and Wales, if it can get planning permission.
(EDF Naturelle website).

EDF Naturelle is also developing micro-photovoltaic and large scale systems for Southern France and other countries around the Med.

EDF claims large scale renewables compliment nuclear energy.
31

Tarchin,

Lothian 10/06/2009 10:34:32
#35
Disabuse yourself of the idea that a Scotland free of nuclear power stations would be safe from radioactive fallout in the event of another Chernobyl incident. The incident at Chernobyl released a large quantity of radioactive Caesium into the atmosphere and it was carried by prevailing winds as far afield as Artic Sweden and Cumbria. Pasture in these areas became contaminated animals feeding on this pasture also became contaminated because their bodies were unable to distinguish between Caesium and Calcium and made tem commercially worthless. I do not know if the contaminated areas are now 'safe'.
32

Luke Skywalker,

Beautiful Scotland 10/06/2009 10:37:58
Cover the country in windmills and the tourists go away. What then for employment remembering that companies such as Lloyds on the Mound, the Fifeshire branch of the Nationwide and Spanish (formerly Scottish) Power are stripping jobs out of Scotland. We need nuclear as well as windmills and we need the nuclear now!
33

Stan Butler,

10/06/2009 10:59:02


Farmers and landowners on whose land the turbines are sited are making a fortune.

The public are mugs and are being taken to the cleaners.

The funny thing is they actually feel good about it.
34

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10/06/2009 11:16:11
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Fenbeagle,

Lincolnshire 10/06/2009 11:43:37
hi Spagan
Why would I travel to Sctotland to see your 'Iconic Structures'? I have perfectly good views of them here. And Norfolk, were I travel too regularly, and Spain when I go there, and Holland...etc. etc.....I think you must be missing the point?
36

Luke Skywalker,

10/06/2009 11:48:16
48 Spagan. I agree that it is a small number of hectares. However, because the things are so high, they can be seen from many miles away. As one travels the M8 westerly, not far before Livingston one can see a bunch of them on the hills on the horizon which is thirty miles away. Now the M8 is not a tourist high spot but it is a local example. I definitely think we should carefully invest in renewables and in carbon capture but the time that development takes means we need a nuclear power station now to cover the gap period. I am not a scientist but as a layman I think carbon capture sounds wonderful since we have the undersea pipes and the correct types of rock with voids where the oil was. That has the benefit of us not being dependant on rogue states for our fuel supplies but, I repeat myself, we need a nuclear power station to cover the time gap. Please.
37

Tarchin,

Lothian 10/06/2009 11:58:36
Few people, irrespective of political persuasion, would deny that one of Scotland's greatest assests is its scenery. The demise of several industries in Scotland may mean the we have to rely on the tourist and hospitality sectors more heavily and nothing should be done that will compromise this. Very careful thought as to the location of the wind farms is essential
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Drummer1,

Troon 10/06/2009 12:20:26
Onshore windfarms are a beautiful model of sustainable development, as long as they are sited in appropriate locations. With a renewables mix of onshore, offshore and marine technologies Scotland will become the new big economic growth centre in the long term.

Wind Turbines in time will be viewed as an iconic point in our socio economic and natural history in addition to being appreciated as modern masterpiece artworks (dynamic sculpture).

Well done Scotland and shame on the ignorant cynics that decry the genuine efforts of those trying to ensure a sustainable future.

Hey Cynics ! ... stop moaning about windfarms and all the associated ignorant nonsense you spout – let’s see you contribute properly – be part of the solution or go build a space rocket to live somewhere else !
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Fenbeagle,

Lincolnshire 10/06/2009 12:21:31
....I should also, possibly mention, that the perfectly good view I have of Wind Turbines, today. is of Turbines not working (as the wind speed is very low). (No its not a remarkable coincidence)
40

Arfur,

10/06/2009 12:25:26
Jesso there is some right guff being spouted by the unionists today.

To put it simply there are 2 choices

Nuclear - unsafe, unwanted by the majority and damaging to the planet

or

Wind farms - safe, clean, cutting edge and.............easily removable once tidal has been fully utilised.

For the people with sense this is a no brainer. But then if the unionists had sense we wouldn't have our daily laughing sessions.
41

Geomac 1,

Scotland 10/06/2009 13:32:17
It always disappoints me to see what should and could be a serious debate degenerate into bashing either the SNP or the Labour party. This is sad and juvenile.
The other issue that seems to have taken hold in many of the posts above is that there is a simple choice between windmills and nuclear plants. That is naive and erroneous. I assume that most educated peole are aware that wind power requires back up generation when the wind is either blowing too lightly or too much? Generating companies are well aware of this - even Scottish Power. The range of backup mentioned by generating companies varies from 80-90% - so what will be the source of alternative generation when the right wind is not available?
Let's look non dogmatically at nuclear power - we've had 2 nuclear plants operating in Scotland for decades - without any mishap affecting the public. These 2 plants provide what is known as the baseload power - that power which is required 24 hours a day (the remainder being provided by gas, coal, hydro and a smidgeon of wind). Those people who live near these 2 plants are not against their replacement - so why not simply replace them when their service life ends? Modern nuclear plants are more efficient and produce significantly less waste. Replacing these 2 nuclear pllants by windmills will require around 4000 windmills - and even then back up of some description will be needed.
There is surely room for all types of electricity generation - it is not simply one or the other as any power engineer will tell you.
42

The Strategist,

10/06/2009 13:43:44
#32 Daniel Rober

That's the point.. Every wind turbine we put up adds around £1.5m per Mw to the trade deficit. Looks now as if the same could well happen with tidal energy systems but it's also happening already with solar PV, geothermal, heat pumps, wood pellet boilers, large biomass and so on and so forth....
43

Whauped,

Borders 10/06/2009 14:45:11
#48 & #50

Suggest you guys check out the SNH Foorprint map:
http://www.snh.org.uk/pdfs/strategy/renewable/windfarmFootprintMapApril08.pdf (8Mb download).

Doesn't look like "the tiniest of fractions of Scotland's landscape" to me.

And this is not a visual impact map.

If you started mapping cumulative ZVI's on consented schemes, I suspect even you would be shocked at what we are allowing to happen to huge swathes of our valued landscapes.
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Geomac 1,

Scotland 10/06/2009 15:24:26
#57. Thanks for the map Whauped - very helpful.
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Drummer1,

Troon 10/06/2009 15:25:43

Hey Cynics (#55-58)! ... stop moaning about windfarms and all the associated ignorant nonsense you spout – let’s see you contribute properly – be part of the solution or go build a space rocket to live somewhere else !

Onshore windfarms are a beautiful model of sustainable development, as long as they are sited in appropriate locations. With a renewables mix of onshore, offshore and marine technologies Scotland will become the new big economic growth centre in the long term.

Wind Turbines in time will be viewed as an iconic point in our socio economic and natural history in addition to being appreciated as modern masterpiece artworks (dynamic sculpture).

Well done Scotland and shame on the ignorant cynics that decry the genuine efforts of those trying to ensure a sustainable future.

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Drummer1,

Troon 10/06/2009 15:33:35
BTW, there have been a whole series of near disaster and signifcant contamination events involving nuclear plant in Scotland. For example the service shaft of Dounreay (used illegally for low and mid level radioactive waste) blew off its concerete cap (10 metres x 10 metres)over miles of distance, it also has significant active leachate throughout its geological environs. Decommissioning is an open cheque book to the taxpayer !! Finally, uranium is running out faster than oil !!!

As I said before, being a cynic against RE is easy but its even easier to criticise the 'business as usual' alternative.

However, I'm bored talking against the fools and will continue to concentrate on action like the other intelligent self-aware beings.
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pwd,

Borders 10/06/2009 15:39:31
#25

We're talking about Scotland mate.

I was on the golf course this morning in very benign conditions and a retired electrical engineer said that with the amount of wind on offer one wind turbine might just generate enough electricity to power his trolley for 18 holes.
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pwd,

Borders 10/06/2009 15:41:27
#25

"We're talking about Scotland mate."

I was on the golf course this morning in very benign conditions and a retired electrical engineer said that with the amount of wind on offer one wind turbine might just generate enough electricity to power his trolley for 18 holes.

Nuclear is the only way.
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Geomac 1,

Scotland 10/06/2009 15:57:37
#59 and #60 Drummert1. You sound just like Jim Mather and just as dogmatic.
As usual, when you can't respond in an adult manner to a logical and well argued post and you resort to name calling and not even grammatically at that - a person can be a cynic "of" or "in relation to" something but hardly a cynic "against".
When you say that you would like me to "contribute properly" - I just have done - but you no doubt assume that contributing properly means agreeing with you??? I simply cannot to that - I am an engineer who is well aware of the limitations of wind energy and can convince others through logical and fact based argument - unfortunately, such an approach cannot reach those who are dogmatic and unthinking.
Finally, you assert that "decry the genuine efforts of those trying to ensure a sustainable future." If you look more closely at wind you will find that the most enthusiastic supporters of wind are developers and landowners who stand to make large amount of money at the expense of electricity consumers - the current subsidy for wind energy is around 5 pence per unit(kw) via the ROC system - this is more than the wholesale price of electricity generated by most other means!!!
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Drummer1,

Troon 10/06/2009 16:08:22
Hey Geomac (#63): Patronising, Hypocrisy ("adult ... name calling ... dogmatic")and cynical; you've got a heavy baggage there !

An engineer ... probably the most overly used career title globally ... what, you're some kind of expert, eh ?

No, go and read more, educate yourself on the global economics of sustainable development, environmental science, climate change and RE ... you've got a long way to go, as with all the other Cynics !!
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Geomac 1,

Scotland 10/06/2009 16:24:14
How about all the rampant windmill lover be transported to an island with only wind energy available and see how they manage??
Don't respond with Gigha - they have "conventional" electricity backup.
The so called "global economics of sustainable development, environmental science, climate change" you refer to #64 is crowded with cranks and shysters lusting after government grants for research and developers lusting after money - for every one alleged scientist propagating the theory of global warming (and extrapolating it to ridiculous levels)there are at least 2 genuine scientists who take a more balanced and pragmatic view. Do you call the decimation of rain forests to grow palm trees (for palm oil) as sustainable economics - more like the economics of the money grabber!!
Then we have the UK Met Office (Hadley) telling us what the climate will be 71 years hence and yet the same organisation can't get the weather right 71 hours in advance - no matter how big their brand new computer may be!!!
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Drummer1,

Troon 10/06/2009 16:45:25
Geomac (#63, 65): I can only reiterate what I've written before. However, it appears you wish not to take the correct but harder route of finding true knowledge and wisdom regarding sustainable development.

Tell you what, go and be useful with your engineering skills and build yourself a space rocket, because the only regret I will have in trying to save this planet is that free-loaders like yourself will also benefit !
53

pwd,

Borders 10/06/2009 16:58:38
#66

You've lost. Desist.
54

Geomac 1,

Scotland 10/06/2009 17:18:18
Spot on #67 - but will he listen? I doubt it
55

Drummer1,

Troon 10/06/2009 21:44:10
#67 and #68 Forget it, I will never desist.

Unfortunately you ignorant cynics will still benefit from the positive and potentially winning efforts of others.

Thank goodness you are just a loud minority of inaction and pathos that few in the world pays attention to - more fool me of course for giving you some attention - I suppose I'm just the eternal optimist.
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Drummer1,

Troon 10/06/2009 22:06:02
Onshore windfarms are a beautiful model of sustainable development, as long as they are sited in appropriate locations.

With a renewables mix of onshore, offshore and marine technologies Scotland will become the new big economic growth centre in the long term.

Wind Turbines in time will be viewed as an iconic point in our socio economic and natural history in addition to being appreciated as modern masterpiece artworks (dynamic sculpture).

Well done Scotland and shame on the ignorant cynics that decry the genuine efforts of those trying to ensure a sustainable future.
57

Friend of Lewis,

12/06/2009 13:44:58
Wind farms are a cover-up for the implementation of a carbon tax. A gullible public believes the claims that wind farms reduce carbon emissions and that CO2 drives global warming and climate change.

See video on:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN7ioCiSmtc&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cagwh.com%2Fblog%2F&feature=player_embedded

 

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