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Published Date: 04 July 2009
HUNDREDS of British troops seized key canal crossings in Afghanistan yesterday, as part of the US-led operation to wrest the initiative from insurgents in Helmand province.
The British push, one of the largest UK forces have made in the Taleban heartland, is part of a wider offensive launched by thousands of US marines on Thursday.

They met little resistance on the first day of Operation Khanjar, or "Strike of the Sword", the first big test of US president Barack Obama's new strategy to defeat the Taleban and its allies and stabilise Afghanistan.

Their objective is to seize virtually all of the lower Helmand River valley, the world's biggest opium poppy-producing area, and hold the ground they win, something UK-led Nato troops have so far been unable to do.

Violence in the insurgency is at its highest since the Taleban's fall from power in 2001, and the offensive, in the short term at least, is meant to provide a secure environment for the 20 August presidential election.

In the longer term, US and Nato troops want to engage with local populations as part of a new counter-insurgency strategy under General Stanley McChrystal, appointed as the new commander of foreign troops in Afghanistan after conventional warfare tactics failed.

With new tactics to win over the Afghan population and new commanders in place, the US military hopes the operation will mark the turning point of a war some in Washington have admitted they are not winning.

In yesterday's operation, UK soldiers seized 13 canal crossings with an airborne assault north of the provincial capital Lashkar Gah. A further 800 British troops began pushing north towards Gereshk, Helmand's main industrial city.

An MoD spokesman said: "Taking control of the crossings will allow British troops to prevent insurgents' movements between Helmand's two largest cities, Gereshk and Lashkar Gah, and will ultimately improve security and freedom of movement for the local people."

Insurgents launched a series of attacks against Welsh Guards troops during their operation to seize the canal crossings, and almost 100 roadside bombs were found and made safe.

Scattered clashes were reported as US marines fanned out through towns and mud-brick villages in the Helmand River valley, a crescent of opium poppy and wheat fields criss-crossed by the canals.

Most of the fighting was around the town of Garmsir, where a spokesman for international forces in Afghanistan said there had been an engagement between marines and insurgents. There was no information about casualties.

One US marine was killed and several wounded on Thursday, while an Afghan man was shot and wounded when he repeatedly ignored warnings to stop as he approached a group of marines in Garmsir.

As the operation entered its second day, US units secured control of the district centres of Nawa and Garmsir, and negotiated entry into Khan Neshin, the capital of Rig district.

Captain Bill Pelletier said: "They waited for the local and village elders (outside Khan Neshin] and with their permission they went in and now are engaged in talks."

As the marines in the village of Nawa sat for a meeting with 20 Afghan men and boys who were squatting on the ground, they listened as a list of their concerns came in a form of questions.

"Are you going to enter our houses?" asked Mohammad Nabi, 25, who was there with five of his younger brothers. "We are afraid that you will leave, and the Taleban will come back," he said.

One elder asked the marines whether they would stop them saying prayers, while others described the local police as predatory thieves not to be trusted.



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The Yak connection,

China, 04/07/2009 02:52:49
It's really incredible that a bunch of ragtag goatherders that go by the name of the Taleban have held off the so called allied forces despite being badly out gunned and on a shoestring budget at that. Tough guy Obama figures that another trillion or so dollars should do the trick, if not, the next president will look for another solution.

Scotsman55
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Zapper,

04/07/2009 04:10:02
The British are being blown to pieces over there. A Lt Colonel and several of his men have just been killed. What on earth are they doing there in the first place? Little wonder the Russians left, I guess they were smart enough to realize the war is un-winnable. It appears the British transport vehicles aren't up to scratch so now they'll have to spend billions more on upgrades while their economy keeps getting worse. My my, you poor Brits being hurled into an abyss by Gordon Brown.
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04/07/2009 04:16:12
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04/07/2009 04:34:38
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Roy Stewart, Phx.AZ.USA,

04/07/2009 05:03:53
Editor Scotsman,
re. UK Forces seize canal crossings . . .
Helmand River valley, the world's biggest opium poppy-producing area, . . .
Suggest: Buy ALL the opium crop(s), thus denying illicit opiates for continued nefarious exploitation.
Poppy Farmers would continue doing what they know best.
Likely the costs of the opiate purchases would offset a considerable portion of the monies pouring into 'Black Hole' of the endless 'War on Drugs'!

Roy Stewart,
Phoenix AZ USA
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Navvy,

04/07/2009 10:23:32
#5 Interesting Notion
A quick look at google satellite shows that the area around Laskar Gah is very flat and laid out with a grid of fields with lots of irrigation canals, probably not many trees or woods, so little cover for vehicles, tanks or guns but fine for foot soldiers who live off the land supplied, willingly or not, by the populace. Denying them that food means driving them up into the hills and keeping them there over long long perimeters AND in persuading the populace not to feed them.
This latter is very difficult the populace would have to believe that tehy will always be supported and protected and that they would also have an alternative to growing poppies in their very large irrigated areas. Poppy products are easy to transport by motorcycle but wheat, fruit and veg are much less so. Where are the markets, whence comes the populace's wheat now? Could their produce be sold in Pakistan?

These are the issues which must be tackled as well as that of confidence in the government in Kabul
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Thistledhu,

04/07/2009 10:51:11
This is great progress a forward looking aggresive strategy to deal with these evil people.

good luck and safe home to all involved.
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Thistledhu,

04/07/2009 11:42:56
#4 The smaller dog has a lot bigger fight in it.
A bit like Tibet then?
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danbob,

04/07/2009 12:45:27
7# Evil people. could these be the same evil people that the west supported in filling the void in Afghanistan when the Russians left.
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04/07/2009 13:09:15
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04/07/2009 15:03:36
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Taz,

The Land of the Free 04/07/2009 15:27:26
2 Zapper,04/07/2009 04:10:02
The British are being blown to pieces over there. A Lt Colonel and several of his men have just been killed. What on earth are they doing there in the first place? Little wonder the Russians left, I guess they were smart enough to realize the war is un-winnable. It appears the British transport vehicles aren't up to scratch so now they'll have to spend billions more on upgrades while their economy keeps getting worse. My my, you poor Brits being hurled into an abyss by Gordon Brown.
.................................................

Have no fear Zapper. The British army will mooch what they need from our military....like they always do.
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Willie Mor,

04/07/2009 16:51:13
It does seem that the UK have been drawn in to a battle that they cannot win.

Not that I approve of the Taleban or anything associated with them, but it does seem that the UK/US have not won hearts and minds.

Quite the contrary, it seems that they have inflamed the whole situation, and in many theatres.

Ill conceived military adventures without having thought out all of the parts of the plan seem to be the hallmarks of the Blair-Brown / Bush strategy.
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Arminius,

Bei Uelzen 04/07/2009 16:59:04
#12 Taz,The Land of the Free? - Better that the British Army receives what they need from the US military; at least they know how to use it. Yanks = all the gear but no idea.........
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Flash Gordon,

Everywhere 04/07/2009 17:07:36
The British taxpayers will be paying for this war forever and a day. God help them.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 04/07/2009 17:19:13
# 9 danbob

"could these be the same evil people that the west supported in filling the void in Afghanistan when the Russians left."

No these are the evil people who where trained, armed and funded by the Pakistani Intelligence service the ISS.




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The Saltire,

04/07/2009 17:46:28
What on earth is the point of UK or US forces taking ground in Afganistan if they are only going to give it up some time in the near future. Unless they plan on colonising the ground they take then it will all be for nothing and many brave folk on both sides are going to die for this act of futility and political farce. End this pointless idiotic war now you cant fight terrorism with conventional warfare. Conventional warfare breeds terrorism it will never cure it.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 04/07/2009 17:49:50
# 12 Taz

"The British are being blown to pieces over there."

This board seems to be rife with amateur Military Analysts who seem to nothing about the subject that they wish to comment on. The above is a classic example of the self loathing dimwits that infest this place.

The British have suffered 173 fatalities since entering Afghanistan in 2001. That is hardly being "blown to pieces" if you compare those figures to 255 killed in the Falklands over 74 days or the 350,000 lost at the Battle of the Somme in 4 and a half months.

"Little wonder the Russians left"

The Russians left because they suffered 14,553 fatalities over the nine years they where there.

There is a big difference between what the allies have suffered and what the Soviet Union suffered, the main reason for this is that the soviets fought the whole country while the allies have only been fighting one tribe the Pashtuns. The rest of the country are actually on our side.
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The Saltire,

04/07/2009 20:00:54
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The Russians had the Afgan military on their side and a puppet regime in place hardly fighting the whole country and now youre telling us its the world plus most of Afganistan against the Pashtuns and the war drags on and on and on. Those military analysts above seem to have a better grip on reality than you do mind you they dont have your blinkered zionist specs on.
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The Saltire,

04/07/2009 20:03:04
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The Pakistani intelligence service is funded and trained by the CIA and MI6.
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r1niceboy,

Nebraska, via Polwarth 04/07/2009 20:37:22
The only problem with the Afghan surge is that it will force the Taliban into Pakistan, whose army is woefully incapable of stopping them. The only way to defeat the Taliban is to prove that the IEF can provide enough security in the long term across the whole region.

As much as I was opposed to the Iraq war, the shift in strategy later on by Gates and Petraeus was brilliant in stemming Al-Qaeda in Iraq and many of the sectarian militias efforts. It's not perfect, but a lot better than it had been.

Given time, and given that we can keep or promises made to the tribal elders in Afghanistan, we can reduce the Taliban to a fraction of what they've been capable of before. Make them seem ineffectual, and it should go well. Pakistan needs to get its act together though.
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Arminius,

Bei Uelzen 04/07/2009 20:58:46
#19 The Saltire - The Afghan Army of the puppet regime established after the Soviet invasion was poorly equipped with obsolete Soviet equipment (including many WW2 era small arms) and suffered from catastrophic desertion rates.
In contrast, the current Afghan Army has a strength of 90,000 men and rising with a steady increase in modern weaponry (it will soon be fully equipped with US M16s and Canadian C7s).
The Taliban consist mostly of pashtuns and foreign fighters so it would not be an exageration to say that the majority of the Afghan population. One does not have to be a Zionist to oppose a return to the dark days of Taliban government.
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Arminius,

Bei Uelzen 04/07/2009 21:22:37
#21 r1niceboy - "Pakistan needs to get its act together though" - There are a few signs that the Pakistanis might be starting the process. You may be interested in this BBC Panorama report on the fighting in the Swat Valley:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00l967g/Panorama_The_Battle_of_Swat_Valley/
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The Saltire,

04/07/2009 21:54:36
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The Taleban are not a group of individuals they are a way of life that some people prefer to other options. You dont destroy that with conventional warfare.
The so called Western alliances in both Iraq and Afganistan do not trust their so called allies. They are in fact arming and training their adverseries. The whole situation is idiotic and cant be won. Who are you or I to say our way of life is better than theirs? Youre obviously another idiot who gobbles up the spoon fed propaganda put out by our "free press" and media. I have yet to see the evidence which connects the Taleban to the events of 9/11 and I bet you havent seen it either? everything that has transpired has been on the say so of people you wouldnt trust to tell you day was light and night was dark. People believe the "official" story because they want to not because they have been convinced by any proof positive.
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The Saltire,

04/07/2009 22:01:31
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The Afgans have been resisting better armed better organised and bigger foreign invaders successfully for 100s of years. They still are.
Even Alexander the great couldnt conquer them so what chance has any US/UK commander got today? The only possible reason for continuing this pointless excersize is to placate Israel and to continue following Israelli foreign policy in its genocidal plans to iradicate Islam as a threat to its own borders. Unless of course you can explain how British troops in Afganistan and Iraq benefits UK foreign policy?
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Arminius,

Bei Uelzen 04/07/2009 22:06:27
#24 The Saltire - Any guffie that comes away with the line "Youre obviously another idiot who gobbles up the spoon fed propaganda put out by our "free press" and media" is not looking for a reasonable debate.
FYI I happen to be an "idiot" who has first hand accounts from what is going on in Afghanistan and the Taliban has degenerated into a band of brigands who try to impose their minority views and "way of life" on the majority of Afghans (who don't want a return to Taliban rule)by force of arms.
The war in Afghanistan is essentially a counter-insurgency war and such wars have been brought to a successful conclusion before, Malaysia being a prime example.
One thing for sure, I certainly wouldn't trust you to tell me if day was light and night was dark.....
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Arminius,

Bei Uelzen 04/07/2009 22:18:17
#25 The Saltire - If I had a quid for every armchair strategist/historian who trotted out this "nobody can conquer Afghanistan" guff, I could probably by The Scotsman and get rid of trolls like yourself.
If you think that the war in Afghanistan is Israeli foreign policy in action, you cannot be playing with a full deck. There are far more Muslims fighting against the Taliban than with it.
You will note that the operation in Afghanistan is a UN sanctioned and NATO lead mission rather than merely being part of British Foreign policy.
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oder,

Scotland 05/07/2009 01:48:47
"The only possible reason for continuing this pointless excersize is to placate Israel and to continue"

its amazing the people believe such utter trash! a few million Jews try to destroy (eradicate) 1.5 BILLION followers of Islam? talk about conspiracy theories!
and for all you history buffs Britain has had three wars in Afghanistan the consensus is 1 win ,1 draw,1 lost,the successful strategy will win!
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Dave Drake,

05/07/2009 02:52:27
Why bother with this riff raff bunch called the Taleban? Why bother? Why not just leave them alone so we can all get on with our lives. All this wasted money would be better served if it was used in our own country where people are starving without a job. What a waste.
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Thistledhu,

05/07/2009 11:27:52
29 WHY BOTHER? if afghanistan falls again to the Taliban pakistan would quickly follow.

A nuclear capble Taliban/ Al Queda would they settle for just pakistan once they have Nuclear wpns?

This is A fight the world can not afford to lose.
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Taz,

The Land of the Free 05/07/2009 19:22:38
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:14 Arminius,Bei Uelzen 04/07/2009 16:59:04
#12 Taz,The Land of the Free? - Better that the British Army receives what they need from the US military; at least they know how to use it. Yanks = all the gear but no idea........."


Indeed so, I guess when the Brits RAN from Basra that was a demonstration of Brits using mooched American equipment. You people are there to give us political cover. That's all your military are good for. Your own government sends your troops into combat with their lilly white bottoms hanging outta their raggidy gear. What a pity ya'al don't have any more third world countries to steal from. Ahaa...the dreams of a lost empire....
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Taz,

The land of the Free 05/07/2009 19:27:02
Re:
"The British have suffered 173 fatalities since entering Afghanistan in 2001. "

You have had more casualties at a soccer game.
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Arminius,

Bei Uelzen 05/07/2009 20:06:12
#31 Taz,The Land of the Free - Like I said about the Yanks, all the gear but no idea. Since British politicians refuse to spend sufficient money on equipment for their troops, it would be much better if you militia of goobers handed over their equipment to real soldiers.
Since the British have had more success in counter insurgency warfare than you yahoo Yankees (remember that nasty Vietnam business), I would suggest that the British Army (as well as the rest of the NATO contingent) is much more than "political cover" for the "all the gear but no idea" US Forces.
You should save your venom for the enemy instead of shooting moronic insults at your allies.
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Arminius,

Bei Uelzen 05/07/2009 20:14:23
#32 Taz - "The British have suffered 173 fatalities since entering Afghanistan in 2001" - When you consider that the murder rate in Texas alone is over 10 times this number per annum, it doesn't seem all that high.
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05/07/2009 21:59:40
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Iain Percival,

Black Isle 07/07/2009 09:47:38
I suggest a reading of "Low Intensity Operations" by Brigadier Kitson would not go amiss. This of course presumes a majority of those posting are prepared to sit, read, think, evaluate and not poop off based on the dreaded "very quickly please" evaluations of the situation broadcast by the BBC.
Yes, unfortunately our forces are not as well equipped as they could be, but then there is no money left (not that a Brown 0% increase for the defence budget will help!)
Why the verbal attacks on the US forces by the way? The inference that the US forces are in some way intellectually inferior to ours will not stand up to critical and rigorous evaluation.
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Taz,

The Land of the Free 07/07/2009 20:50:25
Re:

"You should save your venom for the enemy instead of shooting moronic insults at your allies."

Brits are not allies. They are moochers that couldn't even get a handle on a bunch of drunken Irishmen.
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Taz,

07/07/2009 20:52:50
"34 Arminius,Bei Uelzen 05/07/2009 20:14:23
#32 Taz - "The British have suffered 173 fatalities since entering Afghanistan in 2001" - When you consider that the murder rate in Texas alone is over 10 times this number per annum, it doesn't seem all that high. "

Now you are getting a handle on reality. Clever lad. Go home, and take the French and Germans with you.

 

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