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Published Date: 17 June 2009
LABOUR MP Jim Devine last night became the latest casualty of the expenses scandal when he was banned from representing the party at the next election.
LABOUR MP Jim Devine last night became the latest casualty of the expenses scandal when he was banned from representing the party at the next election.

The Livingston MP was referred to Labour's "star chamber" after he was accused of submitting a bogus claim for electrical work at his flat.

He is alleged to have submitted receipts for £2,157 of work from a firm that does not exist.

Questions were also raised about 66 metres of office shelving, said to have been provided by the landlord of his local pub, for which he charged the taxpayer £2,326.

Mr Devine is now the fifth Labour MP, and the only one to represent a Scottish seat, to be deselected. It follows the party's rulings on Margaret Moran, Elliot Morley, David Chaytor and Dr Ian Gibson.

The Scotsman understands he has yet to decide whether to stand down immediately – prompting a by-election – or to wait until a general election.

Mr Devine, 59, had his endorsement as a Labour candidate rescinded by the party after a unanimous decision by the "star chamber" panel that questioned him on Monday.

A Labour Party spokesman said: "After considering in detail the case of Jim Devine and speaking to him, the Labour Party's special NEC endorsements panel today unanimously recommended rescinding his endorsement as a Labour candidate. He will not be able to stand as a Labour candidate in any constituency at the next general election.

"The organisation committee of the Labour Party's NEC agreed with the panel's recommendations and a new prospective parliamentary candidate will be selected as soon as possible.

"As both Gordon Brown and the National Executive Committee have made clear, the Labour Party demands the very highest standard of its MPs."

Last night Mr Devine said he was "devastated" by the decision and felt that he had been "hung out to dry" by the party.

Only last week he received the backing of his constituency Labour Party over the affair after being questioned by about 40 members of the group in an hour-long meeting.

Previously the MP had maintained that the electrician he hired had provided false information.

Mr Devine said the man must have been trying to avoid paying tax by providing a false VAT number, and he had notified the Commons fees office when he found out about it.

He also said he recently referred himself to police in a bid to clear his name.

There is no process of appeal for the ruling, which effectively ends his Westminster career by next spring, or earlier if a snap election is called.

It is expected that the Scottish National Party will now target the seat even more heavily. The party already controls the local council and the Holyrood seat, where Angela Constance is MSP.

Last night, Lis Bardell, the party's Westminster candidate for Livingston, said: "By deselecting Jim Devine, the Labour Party has had its say, but that is not enough: the people of Livingston should now have their say too."

Mr Devine, a former union activist and psychiatric nurse, won the Livingston seat in a by- election after Robin Cook, the former foreign secretary, died on a hill walk in September 2005.

In 2007 he accepted an award from the Herald newspaper for the top campaign of the year for attempts to win compensation for savers who lost out when the Farepak scheme collapsed.

The news of Mr Devine's deselection came after it emerged that communities minister Shahid Malik faces a second investigation into his expenses, less than a week after being brought back into government.

The Dewsbury MP is to be scrutinised over his allowances by the parliamentary standards commissioner, John Lyon.

Last night, a spokesman for Mr Malik said: "There is nothing extraordinary about the parliamentary commissioner carrying out a preliminary inquiry in this way and Mr Malik is very relaxed about the process."

However, the investigation will embarrass Mr Brown, who brought Mr Malik back as a minister after he was briefly investigated over other expenses allegations last month.

Mr Malik, who was then justice minister, was exonerated of benefiting from below-market rents from his constituency home and office.

But yesterday it emerged he faced further queries over reports that he used Commons expenses to pay for an office in his constituency home.

Meanwhile, a Conservative MP, Ian Taylor, has revealed that he will stand down at the next election. The MP for Esher and Walton claimed for a London home although his own house is within the commuter belt.

Standards committee chairman accuses MPs of lacking principles

MPS could be stopped from hiring their wives, husbands or offspring to stop the public perception that they were lining their families' pockets, Commons leader Harriet Harman has signalled.

The Cabinet minister told an inquiry into Westminster's expenses that any suspicions MPs were milking allowances would no longer be tolerated.

"I think it is almost impossible to convince the public that actually there is fair employment opportunity. My own view is that it is just too difficult to sustain public confidence," Ms Harman said.

Opening the first evidence session of the committee on standards in public life yesterday, chairman Sir Christopher Kelly hit out at MPs for lacking principles and exploiting expenses "for personal gain". He insisted politicians needed to display qualities including selflessness, integrity and honesty.

"These values are timeless," he said. "If they had been followed more by more MPs over the past few years we would not be in the situation that we are."

Sir Christopher also suggested the most popular solution to MPs' accommodation problem was to establish a "barracks" in London – potentially at the Olympic village being built for the 2012 Games.

Ms Harman said that was "obviously something for the committee to consider", but added it could prevent MPs having a normal life.

Many parliamentarians choose to "commute" their partner and children between homes, living in London during the week and in the constituency at weekends.

"It does have to be recognised we do not want a parliament that is exclusively made up of people who are prepared to set their family life entirely on one side," she said.


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1

Nevsky;,

Moscow 16/06/2009 22:48:10
Deeply embarassing for Labour in Scotland. On the positive side lets hope he steps down immediately so the SNP can take his seat.

Mind you i doubt Mr Devine would be willing to give up over a years perks just yet...still a bit of milk left there.
2

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 17/06/2009 00:08:57

Could it not be argued, that one should be prosecuted for fraud?
I am dammed sure, that if it was 'joe-public', they would be facing a court case.

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Don Roberto,

17/06/2009 00:15:21
Poor Devine, what a casualty. I'm sure his family and friends who turned up to support him at his constituency are in tears of pain at the loss of their meal ticket.
5

Vivas,

Edinburgh 17/06/2009 00:21:24
Just like the rickety shelving in the pub basement, Devine is not fit for purpose. Exactly how or why 40 CLP thicko's went along with his fatastical shaggy dog story is yet another matter. They're probably dense enough to select one of their own at the next GE, so the voters of Livingston can look forward to yet another puffed-up self-serving bloated avaricious SLAB throwback wearing a red rosette.

SNP gain.
6

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 17/06/2009 00:22:56
I see Unison have stopped funding to 64 Labour constituencies, including - I think - 4 or 5 in Scotland. Unison have also called for an end to PFI, which they describe as wasteful. Given that Iain Gray is such a union man, I wonder if he agrees with the views of Unison.
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Andrew Horton,

17/06/2009 00:26:03
So both Susan Boyle and Jim Devine have been star struck, but in two very different ways. ;)
9

Fred Leeson,

edinburgh 17/06/2009 00:26:08
He looked a bit rough on Newsnight tonight so all that troughing must have taken it's toll. Bloated and spotty. Swine flu ?
The shelves didn't look too clever either. Or the wiring in his flat for that matter. A one eyed Scottish idiot could have fitted those two power socket facings and tv skt. Without damaging the tiles.
10

Vivas,

Edinburgh 17/06/2009 00:27:02
In the celebrity world that Gordon Brown moves in, he must surely have heard about this from his mate Simon Cowell...

"Break dancing pensioner Fred Bowers has had his benefits cut after he performed his routines on ITV's Britain's Got Talent..."

Now the old boy was up to no good and he got rumbled... But The Department of Work and Pensions doesn't hang about when it comes across fraud. It takes action. Pronto.

So what action will be taken against the greedy slug Devine ?
11

Douglas,

Bathgate 17/06/2009 00:32:32
Ken whit? B & Q for some sockets and tiles then over the road tae Morrisons for six pies and two cases of Tennents. Mind, nae drink till we finish that kitchen cos if we dae it pished and BBC Scotland come filmin' ah'm humped efter puttin' in this dodgy invoice.
12

Vivas,

Edinburgh 17/06/2009 00:37:42
Hilarious footage of Devine showing off his rewiring to BBC Scotland in his London flat. It mostly consisted of pointing to his kettle, a few wall sockets and a fuse-box.

Aye, conclusive evidence of a few grands worth of rewiring right enough ! Just show us the cheque stub or cash withdrawl Jim, simple enough surely ...
13

Barney Thomson,

Reading 17/06/2009 00:46:50
The "Star Chamber" makes the right decison - does this mean there are still some sensible and honourable members of the Labour Party*? Or are they just topping the "bang to rights" nonentities so that those that have floated to the top (Malik, Darling?) can be allowed to continue to rip us off?

* Members of the deselection panel -
Cath Speight NEC Chair
Ann Black - NEC Vice Chair
Sir Jeremy Beecham - NEC committee
14

Ronald Penman,

Glasgow 17/06/2009 00:53:59
They just can't help themseves, can they ? I refer of course to the ebc's "coverage" of the Devine Intervention. I blinked and it had passed. Can one imagine the wall to wall coverage if it had been an SNP member caught with his financial trousers around his ankles,so to speak.

And yet... and yet...... not a word about one David Marshall and his "little difficulties".
15

Ronald Penman,

Glasgow 17/06/2009 00:58:54
And of course the most hillareous thing of all - other than Devines financial fantasys - is the the NEW LABOUR animals in the local Livingston Party are fcuked
is they back Devine, and still fcuked if they don't !!
hahhahhahahhahahahhahah

Happy dayz indeed ! The end of NEW LABOUR is on the way .
16

Ronald Penman,

Glasgow 17/06/2009 01:01:57
Oh Rufus,Rufus,Rufaus! It would take a heart of stone not to laugh like a drain at the predicament that the NEW LABOUR pigs find themselves.

Grahamski,are ya there ya old scumbag ?
17

Iainbroch,

17/06/2009 01:02:48
I thought they would back off of deselecting him. I can only assume that if does not rock the boat then he will get freedom from prosecution?
18

Edward,

17/06/2009 01:03:30
One little piggy got caught and now is squeeling all the way to Jail (hopefully)
19

tartangladbach,

edinburgh 17/06/2009 01:12:20
i used to wonder why labour used to fight so dirty at election? after the last 6 weeks it very clear, their infested with crooks and gangsters. labour? a socialist party? lol what does this say about the people that work for the labour party? and promote their cause? rufus? are you a crook trying to defend your income?
20

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 17/06/2009 01:15:40

One Law for Them, One Law for Us! He Will Not be Prosecuted!



21

Brianwci,

17/06/2009 01:18:03
#17 Ronald Penman says: "I refer of course to the ebc's "coverage" of the Devine Intervention. I blinked and it had passed."

I should think most people in Scotland who are regular news watchers will be well acquainted with the ebc's blatant unionist bias by now Ronald.

Luckily the public is still getting the facts from other sources, from you and I and dozens of other cyber nats for example.
22

Steve A.,

17/06/2009 01:20:45
20#
Spot on observation Iain,and that's why we can be cast iron guaranteed that this trough snorter will be around until the last possible moment.
23

Flabskin,

17/06/2009 01:21:35
NuLab...

Robin Cook replaced by a robbin' crook
24

Iainbroch,

17/06/2009 01:23:39
Where is the Illuminated Hag?
25

Brianwci,

17/06/2009 01:26:14
London Labour letting Mr Devine go will come as no surprise to any but the most bigoted, not to mention somewhat unworldly, unionists.

However one would have thought that if he is no longer fit to stand for parliament then he is also not fit to represent Livingston in parliament and therefore he should stand down immediately, as should all MPs of any party who are deselected.

Dr Gibson has done the honourable thing and resigned. If the other errant MPs had any honour they would do the same.
26

Edward,

17/06/2009 01:34:09
Devine is just the tip of the Labour sleaze iceberg
Isnt it about time we had a General Election, or are we to put up with Brown ignoring whats right
Devine and other Labour MP's are not likely to bother with consituency work (that is if they ever bothered in the first place!)So the folk of Livingston are not really going to be properly represented until the next General election!
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Fred Leeson,

edinburgh 17/06/2009 01:34:29
There seems to have been a kerfuffle over in North Lanarkshire council. Farmland sold by the council for £500K suddenly jumped in value to £10m the following day after being redesignated for housing. Coincidence or insider dealing ? Kicked into the long grass for a secret inquiry I expect.
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Fletty73,

Stirling 17/06/2009 01:42:34
This man is so obviously guilty. He should get some self respect back, appologise and resign immediately. Perhaps donate those shelves to former self-serving Labour MP Tam Dalyell for his copious book collection.
29

Edward,

17/06/2009 01:48:13
#30 Fred Leeson
Yes I saw that on the news yesterday as well
North Lanarkshire Council not wlling to talk muh about it (theres a surprise)
Considering its a Labour council since the dawn of time
I think its a safe bet that a Labour Councillor is at the bootom of this piece of criminal activity
30

tartangladbach,

edinburgh 17/06/2009 02:02:31
well the countries business leaders have not been conned acording to the independent this morning,
Safe hands? Who business leaders rate

Ken Clarke 65%

David Cameron 62%

Vince Cable 61%

George Osborne 39%

Lord Mandelson 31%

Nick Clegg 27%

Gordon Brown 16%

Alistair Darling 14%

Source: ComRes/The Independent
FFS nick clegg gets a better vote than brownie & darling ??
31

somerferg,

perth 17/06/2009 03:12:30

Well, well who would have thought that - another Lab MP lining his pockets while spouting socialist clap trap to the plebs. Unreal - can there really be any support left in Scotland (or anywhere else) for this shower of wasters??
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Anderman,

Victoria BC 17/06/2009 04:21:10
I can understand the peoples' reaction to this story and the challenge it brings forward to have criminal charges laid. However, the mute point to consider is, Mr Devine has not been charged with commitment or intent to commit a criminal act and in the absence of claim he is neither charged with misappropriation, embezzlement, fraud or theft. Our Laws (Canadian and British) hold that to be charged with a crime committed it must be proven that there was intent to commit a crime. No doubt gobbly gook language to a layman but nevertheless the scales don't always balance and Mr Devine has been found unsuitable to represent his Party further and the penalty imposed by his peers is sine die. Mr Devine will be the one who has to live with their decision.
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Flabskin,

... Sherwood Forest 17/06/2009 04:42:01
Come to think of it, I may stand in the next election in Livingston, having changed my name by deed poll to 'Robbin Crook'. My Party will be 'Lies, Sleaze and Illegal Wars', I'll wear a pig's snout throughout the campaign, and my manifesto will be:
1. Proportional Representation (commitment to be discarded following election)
2. No student top-up fees (commitment to be discarded following election)
3. Referendum on Lisbon Treaty (commitment to be discarded following election)
4. No increasess in tax rates (commitment to be discarded following election)

As long as I wear a red rosette, on past history I ought to romp home.
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Jo'Burg Jock,

Soth Africa 17/06/2009 05:08:12
Anderman,Victoria BC 17/06/2009 04:21:10

States:-

"Mr Devine will be the one who has to live with their decision."

That sentence applies only to someone who has moral standards. The Labour party (particularly in Scotland) promotes a sycophantic culture. The objective for the careerist (in the labour party) is to become a full time politician, which creates an aura of mysticism for the lower rank and file members to worship.

Once the careerist is on the lower "rungs of the ladder" the creature in turn "worships" all those of a higher rank which usually results in promotion through the various levels. The objective is to achieve as high a position as possible - with all the monetary benefits (salary, expenses, pensions, free travel, junkets etc).

Promises made to the party rank and file during the early stages (and indeed to the electorate) are easily forgotten as time passes.

The false claims made by Devine to line his pockets are just "par for the course" within this rotten organisation. Witness 40 members of his constituency "backing" his actions.

No! Mr Devine has no intention of living with "their decision" in the form of regret or remorse. This piece of filth will endeavor to screw what he can from his position, for as long as he can, including holding on to his seat (pension arrangements) until the next general election.

35

jockstrap,

Cyprus 17/06/2009 05:20:43
# 35 Speeding is a crime and you can be charged and fined for it whether you intended to speed or not
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David MacVicar,

web 17/06/2009 05:34:02
It just goes to prove that the premature death of Mr Cook to all sense of ethics with him. To think that the local constituency members still support Devine is a stain on Cooks memory and the principles stood for.

Please resign forthwith Mr Devine and give the electorate a chance to elect someone deserving to represent them.
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george toot toot,

Europe 17/06/2009 05:51:45
Why does the police not prosecute? Sounds like Al Capone's Chicago. We need a group of "Untouchables" to control the situation. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? - at present they look after themselves.
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donald,

glasgow 17/06/2009 06:00:01
#37 There is no such thing as British law. That is why Donald Findlay keeps losing his loyalist cases. They are a' guilty.
39

donald,

glasgow 17/06/2009 06:01:15
Not even the Star Chamber potties could cover this stench up.
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steve 1511,

aberdeen 17/06/2009 06:24:40
why has the gibbering eejit with the big banana smile not sacked this fat bloated slug divine who has slurped at the trough of fraud

POLIS FOR DEVINE
41

James,

Dundee 17/06/2009 06:32:37
Who's next.
Joyce, Connarty?

It's not just the trough dweller rank-and-file that are hanging on to the last possible moment.

Gogs et al will be as well.
It's up to us the public to keep the heat on, and consign the SLAB to the dustbin of History.
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Ubi,

Edinburgh 17/06/2009 06:32:45
Mr Devine should not be used as a handy scapegoat and smokescreen for wider corruption at the heart of politics. If his snout was in the trough it was not surely short of company.

Nonetheless in the interests of transparency he should be required to clarify to an independent investigative agency his multiple explanations for at least one of the claims.

And in the wider context we would be interested to know when he brought to the attention of the Fees Office his concerns about the invoice he had submitted in respect of electrical work carried out at his flat.

If, as he says, that office then advised him to let sleeping dogs lie the abuse of public money would appear not to stop at MPs.
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brianmca3,

auld reekie 17/06/2009 06:44:09
just shows how crooked labour are when in 1998 UNISON told blairs labour PFI was a con and it would still be getting paid for in generations to come
Secretaries' Report

Services fighting for existence

The lead up to the Scottish Parliament has seen the branch making a significant contribution to a number of consultation exercises, not least the Commission on Local Government and the Scottish Parliament.

The implications of the Parliament and it's relationship with local government, will have a major impact on our services and their delivery.

Consultation is ongoing and the branch will continue to try to ensure that we get the Parliament that our members want, one that will work, and will ensure public services are publicly owned, democratically run and properly resourced

The Scotland Act embraced the principles of access for all, engaging the community, and delivering services at the level closest to the people. What we have seen, though, as members of the various political parties jostle for seats, is a transparent willingness to sell out public services in favour of what can be shallow and limited national party lines.

Since the referendum, UNISON has constantly had to defend local services. Attempts to hive off services to the private sector, create arms length trusts, and discredit local service delivery, together with massive budget cuts, have meant we have had to fight for our very existence.

PFI: And one of the biggest cons is the Private Finance Initiative. The idea of new schools or hospitals is tempting until you realise the cost is far higher than public investment, the private companies end up owning the assets, other services are cut to pay for the private profits and our children end up paying through the nose for tens of years.
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brianmca3,

auld reekie 17/06/2009 06:49:02
cont
The branch has tried to expose the PFI illusion through newspaper articles, talks to Labour Party branches and seminars.
Now why did labour ignore UNISON? as far back as after only 1 year in power
credit where credit is due,just wish joe public had listened and insisted that PFI be scrapped
its very clear brown envelopes were dished out,using PFI
and labour had the damn gall to say they wanted the new forth crossing paid for by PFI
wonder who was in line for a bung
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dunedin bully wee 1877,

17/06/2009 06:54:40
“Only last week he received the backing of his constituency Labour Party over the affair after being questioned by about 40 members of the group in an hour-long meeting.”

What does this say about the judgement of these 40 constituency members?

Mind you if they were responsible for choosing this guy as their candidate in the first place perhaps that question is rhetorical.

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Curley Bill,

17/06/2009 07:15:48
Lat night the Beeb was blocking this story on its Scottish News pages - strange, eh.
Anent Mr Devine - sure, he deserves to be deselected but what about Connarty, Joyce and Darling? They all bear a greater degree of guilt with dodgy dealings, expenses and flipping.
The public should 'deselect' them all.
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sceptic,

livingston 17/06/2009 07:22:03
"to stop the public perception that they were lining their families' pockets"
It's not "perception" it is fact. Devine should be prosecuted for fraud!
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McNasty,

Edinburgh 17/06/2009 07:25:22
If he is now deselected from the Labour party where will he sit in parliament?

For that matter who would want him sat beside them?
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dunedin bully wee 1877,

17/06/2009 07:38:40
If, as appears to be the case, the Labour Party believe that Devine is not fit to stand for them as a Westminster candidate at the next election, why is he fit to continue as a MP until then?
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Campaign Lawer,

Elgin 17/06/2009 07:40:57
55 Curley Bill,17/06/2009 07:15:48
Lat night the Beeb was blocking this story on its Scottish News pages - strange, eh.

Aye, he used a BBC sparky to do the homer!!!!
51

Pocket Dictionary,

17/06/2009 07:54:31
Seems more like a scape goat considering the amount of money involved. He'll be 60 nt some next May and whether an election is held before or after that he is still quids in for retirement. He will have his parliamentary pay-off and no doubt contacts he's made as an MP. The entire episode is just a damp squid - tomorrows fish and chip wrapping.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

17/06/2009 08:03:20
I laughed when I heard the news on Radio Scotland, that Devine might stand down now and force a by-election, to embarrass the government!!!

Fat chance from the fat chancer!!!!

His personal greed is his only consideration.

So typical of New Labour Sleaze!!
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john z,

edinburgh 17/06/2009 08:09:39
Why has he not been sacked with immediate effect, for gross misconduct. Every working man knows that if you do such things whilst working you get sacked, with immediate effect.

No debate, get your things, your P45 is in the post. Hurry back.

Why has he not been sacked with immediate effect???????


Come on Jim p(m)uppet Murphy, and the silent man Iain Gray.

This is the tip of the iceberg of the scale of greed and misconduct within the Labour party. Filth, the lot of them.

Greedy fat labour pigs feeding at the trough, getting wages paid by the workers of Scotland.
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TWC,

exLabour 17/06/2009 08:17:55
Who cast the first stone?? If he did it, he did it he should go and let that be the end of it.

I agree more need to go in this case or we need an election.
I worry that I might have broken the rules if I were in this situation, hopefully in a minor way but I would have been guilty non the less.

It is so easy just to do what everybody else does.
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john z,

edinburgh 17/06/2009 08:19:01
Oh, and while we are at it, as Gordon Brown criticises Iran for a lack of transparency in its recent elections, shouldn't we ask;

Why do we still have an unelected (and unelectable) prime minister??

Why is more than half of the government cabinet in London now made up of the totally unelected and unaccountable lords???

Anyone paying a union sub, should ask that they no longer support this crooked lying Labour government in London.

Scotland has no need for Westminster. We have a much more open accountable and democratic parliament in Scotland. Time to ditch the wasteful London Parliament.
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Jay Kay,

17/06/2009 08:26:54
LABOUR MP Jim Devine last night became the latest casualty of the expenses scandal ? Lets get this straight Mr Scotsman, Jim Devine is NOT a casualty, he is a theiving b*astard plain and simple, where are the Police in all of this and why is he not being arrested and facing the charges any member of the public would be facing if they carried out the same practice???

NULABOUR all thiefs and cheats, I couldn't beleive it this morning on the BBC Radio Scotland (well known puppets of NUSLAB) they had the LABOUR SPIN doctor on trying to defend this. Unbeleivable! its these kind of people who should be in the doc beside Devine as accomplices paid for out of the public purse.

NULABOUR=Criminals GENERAL ELECTION NOW why wait a year, thats another year of monies we will be shelling out to Devine and all the others like him.

Its time for demonstrations of Iranian proportions.
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loosehead,

Edinburgh 17/06/2009 08:33:48
Sir Christopher Kelly suggests a possible answer might to be to establish a "barracks" in London for MPs, maybe on the Olympic village site. There is already a barracks available, nearer to Westminster than that. Chelsea Barracks is being vacated by the Army and is the subject of a planning application, hotly opposed by the Duke of Rothesay, to replace it with a modern steel and glass monstrosity. A `paper` purchase from MoD Estates would allow part of it to be converted to simple Monday-Thursday rental accommodation for MPs. Perhaps not the style to which they would like to become accustomed, but better value to the taxpayer than "my sister`s spare room."
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Stan Butler,

17/06/2009 08:34:13
33 tartangladbach


That result would have nothing to do with the 50% tax rate these people will have to pay under Labour's tax plans will it?
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Astarte,

Giffnock 17/06/2009 08:43:01
#42 jockstrap..I do believe that you should bend to the legal mind of Anderman #35. It may be that in Cypress speeding is a crime but under British Law it is a Violation and is not punishable under the Penal Code until the Violater shows habitual contempt to reoffend and then it may be deemed to be a Crime. Speeding and abuse of the Statute "may" be deemed a crime.
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Stan Butler,

17/06/2009 08:44:13
12 Fred Leeson,



'He looked a bit rough on Newsnight tonight'


Funny you should mention Newsnicht.

On the big, grown up UK wide version there was a fascinating extended report from China from perhaps the best journalist in Britain, Paul Mason. In Scotland two thirds of the way through the report the piece was just stopped in mid flow so that we could watch a second rate presenter talk about some petty, parochial, parish pump politics.

What a metaphor for the whole idea of Scottish separatism.



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Flabskin,

...Sherwood Forest 17/06/2009 08:47:48
#57 Ruler
"Confucius say: Unless MPs can make up their low salaries with perks, peasantry won't get quality candidates offering themselves for a life of devoted public service."

Confucius actually says that the more grossly you inflate the salaries of MPs, the more candidates you will attract whose principal motivation is sheer personal greed.
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Linda,

Edinburgh 17/06/2009 08:56:46
Labour used to believe in equality so why have Hoon, Darling and Blears not faced the Star Chamber (and Malik exonerated). It seems there is one law for Brown's cronies .. some moral compass that.
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caithness,

17/06/2009 08:59:03
What a contrast between Devine and Robin Cook. Sums up Labour's descent into greed and corruption. BTW What's happening with Major Joyce, you know the Falkirk MP who lives in Croydon and has claimed the most 'expenses' of any MP year after year? Grahamski from Falkirk always keeps quiet about that. (Hey maybe it's the major himself under a pseudonym?)
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Linda,

Edinburgh 17/06/2009 08:59:51
Stan Butler your point on Newsnight further strengthens the case for a Scottish Broadcasting Corporation.

The Newsnight Scotland situation is just like Devolution even post Calman as it is a fudge and facing the reality of Scottish nationhood.
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Astarte,

Giffnock 17/06/2009 09:06:12
The term sine die, as stated by #35 is definable only within the realm of the Parliamentary Labour Party and does not preclude Mr Devine from standing as an Independent candidate. This subtle inference by Anderman that "he is the one who has to live by the decision" is certainly accepted as an opening to exonerate himself by appealing to the electorate in a forthcoming election. There is justification in rising from the ashes and he has already proven that he is electable. Even the SNP can recognize that electability trumps morals and ethics. Politics is the name of the game.
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Herry Oaksters,

17/06/2009 09:08:06
"Last night Trougher and porkie pie expert Mr Devine said he was "devastated" by the decision and felt that he had been "hung out to dry" by the party.
The arrogance of these labour crooks is astonishing.
Pitty Devine can keep his fat greedy snout in the trough till his mad boss finds the bottle to call an election. His pathetic performance on tv pointing at elcectrical sockets to try and justify his dodgy claims
was quite simply a very stupid thing to do, no one beleives a word that comes from labour pigs.
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Luigiana,

Aberdeen 17/06/2009 09:09:27
One month has passed since the MP's expenses scandal broke, and still noone has been charged. Why has no politician been charged yet? It is clear that this is what the country expects. Any one else caught with their finger in the till would have been sacked immediately and then invited down to the police station.

For the most obviously corrupt MPs to get away with long-term deselection, enabling them to milk the taxpayer for another year is outrageous. A slap on the wrist is no substitute for a deserved flogging. The less obvious fiddlers, those hiding behind the "rules" will probably get off scot-free (unless the electorate hold them to account one day).

I wish one of the senior police officers with the potential authority to investigate the apparent criminal activity at Westiminster would, for once, break cover and forgoe the expected knighthood. A formal honour or recognition is a great thing, but it is shameful to turn a blind eye to real injustice all around, in order to obtain it.

It is high time the police got involved in the expenses scandal. The public expect it.
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TWC,

exLabour 17/06/2009 09:09:30
73 Stan Butler,

You can watch the English Newsnight on a Sky Channel if you prefer. Its up in the 900s somewhere.
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nostress,

grangemouth 17/06/2009 09:10:50
To be fair on the Labour crook Jim Devine, he's quite correct when he says he's been hung out to dry by his "comrades". Devine, was merely following a long tradition in Labour circles of sleaze and corruption, particularly in central Scotland - where they have made local politics a cesspit.

Poor old Jim's main crimes are that he is an ugly man, very inarticulate and in his excuses spectacularly thick. Unlike the smoother crooks, Blair, Brown, Darling et al, baffled Jim didn't really have the nous to bamboozle the public and certainly didn't posess the patina of respectability which the best conmen, Blair, Brown, Darling et al have in spades.

I would be most surprised if he were to stand down - this would require someone with a streak of honour in them - but will no doubt bore what remains of his cronies in the pub for years to come about how he was hard done by. After all, being central Scotland Labour he was schooled in corruption, nepotism and sleaze right from the start.

Will my own particular nose-trougher Michael Connarty be the next to feel the heat? Doubt it. Along with Blair rectum-licker Joyce, he's been getting away with ridiculous expenses claims for years now (averaging over £180,000 per annum)and believe me when I say, he's done precious little for Grangemouth, other than keep a few photographers busy for his publicity shots. I had the singular misfortune to get one of his adverts through the door the other day - Michael in very expensive suits and cheesy grins throughout telling us all he used to be a teacher. Just what i want for my quarter of a million a year! Still, he could always get more furniture from Grangemouth Enterprise and sell it on to his pal Jim Devine. Don't forget to charge full whack to the tax-payer Michael!
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TWC,

exLabour 17/06/2009 09:10:57
76 caithness,

I'd add Frank Field to that, I'm a real fan of his.

What do we get? Andy Kerr and Iain Gray
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DMK,

Livingston 17/06/2009 09:11:29
Perhaps the entire Labour establishment is finally rocking.
They took the Scottish electorate for granted for 70 odd years and were beaten- twice.
They took the Livingston constituency for granted, riding on the wave of sympathy and general good will towards Robin Cook which allowed Devine to move into the job with minimal scrutiny.

They have an incredible, limpet-like grip on the idea that they have a divine right to rule (no pun intended, honest). Might this be fading?

Give me my right to vote and I'll show you.
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roadstohell,

17/06/2009 09:14:31
Right up ye JD !!!!!!!!!

he has always been a lazy,fat bully ,even when he was a staff nurse @ old Bangour hospital.........

Oh Mr JD , so far up yer own doo dah.......
Haul him up in front of the courts, and see if he manages to bully his way out of that !!!!!
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Retired from Edinburgh,

Gorgie 17/06/2009 09:18:54
Robin Cook must be birrling in his grave. The only Cabinet member with the integrity to resign in protest at the Iraq war is succeeded by this fraudster, the day after it is announced that the enquiry, to be held in secret, chaired by a hand picked committee, wont report until after the election. The Labour party should hang it's head in shame.
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AJ Fife,

17/06/2009 09:24:34
Devine is a disgrace - letting down himself, his family, his party, his voters and his country.

Keir Hardie must be rotating like a jet turbine in his grave with the demise of his, once proud and just, political movement!

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Voice of reason,

EDINBURGH 17/06/2009 09:28:11
Devine has done nothing wrong , nor have any Labour MPs . Its all desperate lies by the Torygraph because they know Cameron is going to be hammered at the polls . No prosections of labour MPs . I rest my case .
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dunedin bully wee 1877,

17/06/2009 09:36:09
88 Voice of reason

That will be why The Telegraph has been sued by all those hard-done by Labourtories then.

Oh, they haven’t been, I wonder why?
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Stan Butler,

17/06/2009 09:41:28
77 Linda

'Stan Butler your point on Newsnight further strengthens the case for a Scottish Broadcasting Corporation.'


A Scottish Broadcasting Corporation would never have the resources to equal the BBC in the breadth or depth of its coverage.

It would be second rate.

It would never produce a report like the one from China.



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watcher,

Edinburgh 17/06/2009 09:43:31
Well done Labour, get rid of the parasites, hope the Tory`s follow suit, as for the Nats, they should be thinking of dumping 2 dinners Salmond.
There`s no way anyone can eat in two cities at the same time.
Fraud is fraud.
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Highland Mist,

17/06/2009 09:46:45
Crooked parasite should be charged with fraud.

So much for New Labour and their great socialist principles - cheating, theiving, hypocrites.
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Sunrise,

Fife 17/06/2009 09:53:21
I too believe Jim Devine is not any worse that his peers.

In his political culture such behaviour is not seen anything unusual.

As a long time observer of politics in Scotland, I’ve watched politicians feathering their nest for my whole life. They think it is their right and, to some extent, the public accepts this as “just the way it is”. This is particularly true in Labour fiefdoms in Scotland.

The fact that he has not been protected as some of the Cabinet Ministers have over their dodgy dealings in property is just part of how it is, in their bubble.

The fact that it takes exposure by a newspaper to highlight the case is again normal. IE only when it is in the public eye do the politicians take, some, action that they say is "in the public interest".

As far as the politicians are concerned his real crimes are 1) he got caught, 2) his case became widely known and discussed by the public IE: bad Press, 3) he is not a big enough fish to protect and 4) he is available as a public sacrifice to the “court of public opinion”, so the they [His political masters] can be seen to be doing the right thing.

I must assume that like me, most people will see this for what it is:

A Sham...............
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Nookem,

Battered Britain 17/06/2009 10:00:55
It is time for a remake of the movie " The Goodfellows " starring the Labour Party MPs.
I found it amusing to see Brown at the union meeting, ranting against the BNP, this is the man who has presided over the most corrupt govt in the history of politics.
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Louis Catorze,

17/06/2009 10:20:41
"...felt that he had been "hung out to dry" by the party."

He'll probably try and claim it on his cleaning expenses...
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Voice of reason,

EDINBURGH 17/06/2009 10:21:51
89 - it is coming .
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morris,

edinburgh 17/06/2009 10:32:49
"As both Gordon Brown and the National Executive Committee have made clear, the Labour Party demands the very highest standard of its MPs"

Have they? When did that happen then?

Jim Devine was not involved in one epsiode.He was involved in two.
Even if you accepted his explanation for one of them,the existence of a second one reduces his credibility to absolute zero.
Either that or he is indeed a most unlucky fellow !
Im surprised that Jim Devine could not even muster enough dignity to admit he fiddled his expenses.He might have commanded some repect if he had done that!
He is unfit to hold the position of MP for Livingston.

His party locally backed him?
That makes them as bad as he is!

Nationally the party have removed him as a Labour candidature.That does not go far enough!

Livingston's electorate should now demand that he stands down and take another step in the process of ridding Scotland of LABOUR in its entirety.
The party betrayed the Scottish people and lied to you all, over the strength of the Scottish economy.
The last people I want as guests in my house are the quislings who betrayed it!
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Scottyboy007,

GLASGOW 17/06/2009 10:37:59
How he thought he would get away with putting on new switch covers without re - wiring shows you the contempt this man had for the electorate. Its like Browns recent speech. (NULABOURLIE) They will do the absolute Opposite from they say they will do. Criminal charges should be brought against Divine.

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Old Cartha Boy,

Broxburn 17/06/2009 10:39:12
There is talk of Mr Devine resinging now as an MP and embarrasing the Labour Party by forcing a by-election - hasn't Mr Devine not created enough embarrassment?

Interesting that his own webpage lists his speeches in Westminster - he's not spoken there since November 2008!! What's he been doing - "got to take the next 8 months off, got some workies in putting up shelves and putting a plug on the kettle".

http://www.jimdevine.org.uk/EZEdit/view.asp?MID=112
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Sgian Achlais,

17/06/2009 10:42:24
He will stay to collect an additional year of pension entitlement which will cost the tax payer tens of thousands.

He will get another years salary and expenses

He will get a resettlement allowance of about £50K

He will not face any form of criminal proceedings for fraud, deception, corruption, misuse of public funds, abuse of privilege.

It seems Labour believe that society is made up of people who are more equal than others.

The more power within the labour party the less accountable to any form of justice a person will be.

They are a disgrace to all decent people in this country as well as many of their supporters who genuinely belief in social justice and equality.
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Truthseeker253,

Lesmahagow 17/06/2009 10:45:24
With ref to the repeated calls of so many for a police investigation, I posed the following points to the leaders of the three largerst Westminster parties:

"I am still totally unable to understand:
(a) why these people are not all being fully investigated by the Police, the Inland Revenue, and even the Benefits' Office!
(b) why those who have decided to "stand down", are able to wait until the next election, rather than going NOW! This is a bit like me catching a burglar in my home before every room has been ransacked, and suggesting that he continue with the rest of the house!
(c) why all are not, automatically, required to pay back every penny of the money that thay have taken, from me (as a taxpayer), fraudulently (even if within the rules that they cleverly made up themselves!). and
(d) why those who leave will not, apparently, forfeit their nice juicy pension - far above that which the ordinary subject of HM could ever expect to receive."

I received an immediate reply from the Tories - but it didn't address even one of my issues (and a follow-up, pointing this out, has received no response). About two weeks later I received a reply from the Lib-Dems - that didn't address any of my issues. I am still waiting for a reply from Labour - and imagine that I will still be "waiting until the (pigs) come home"!
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morris,

edinburgh 17/06/2009 10:58:48
90

The BBC raises 9% of its revenue in Scotland and spends around 3 to 4% and this is well documented.
A Scottish Broadcasting Corporation would import programs from other broadcasters and would probably operate pretty much as it does currently accepting the national feed from London and opting out only where it could afford to do so.
BBC Scotland would actually have 3 times MORE money available to it and when purchasing televison programmimg the number of potential viewers is always accounted in the price charged or you would never sell any programs.You forget that BBC (outwith Scotland) would be deprived of part of their income and anxious to make it up. A coin has two sides you know!
Most European nations buy their programs from a Luxembourg based producer called RTL (formerly Radio Luxembourg)although the shares are mostly German held I believe. They are Europes largest tv producer as far as I know. The size of your nation has sod all to do with your capacity to produce and market tv programming, it affects only the audience you have at home.
The BBC imports programming from Australia and USA and probably Canada and New Zealand etc also on occasion.
One of the advantages the English speaking nations have is they can sell programming to each other and have a significant market,but even Luxembourg manages to produce programs in Dutch and German and no doubt others on occasion. I have myself watched one of RTLs stations on cable in the UK.
TV is universal.
Broadcasting is an area which Scotland could expand quite easily. Indeed it would be harder to avoid expansion on what we have at the moment!
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Itsanobrainer-Vote SNP,

17/06/2009 10:59:27
#80 Spot on
This thieving bar steward has only been humiliated. He has been left to milk the system for another year and absolutely no chance he will resign. Somebody committing fraud does give up a years salary and benefits. What punishment? He would be kicked out at the next elections anyway. Why no fraud investigation by the police. Can anyone tell me who in the police we should write to to demand that a fraud investigation is carried out. If enough people write, maybe we can get some action.
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TWC,

exLabour 17/06/2009 11:09:56
Devine is no worse than the typical Labour MP and therefore should feel aggrieved, a lot more of them need to go and causing a by election is entirely his choice.
He should resign and force Labour to defend it's policies in Scotland including Calman's poor offering.
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roadstohell,

17/06/2009 11:14:46
This pretend LABOUR party has me totally scunnered,

" the working class can kiss my @rse , I've got the foremans job at last"
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morris,

edinburgh 17/06/2009 11:17:09
80 POlice forces are NOT allowed to investigate MPS and all investigations are to be conducted by the Metropolitan Police who clearly dont intend to investigate anything or anybody and Gordon Broon has made sure of that.Why do I say this? Because Lothian and Borders Constabulary said so !

We saw with Wendy Alexander the level of corruption and filth that is the Labour Party. If Wendy had been an MP it would not even have been possible to declare her immune from justice in Scotland but clearly it would still have happened in London .
The whole Westmidden system is rotten to the core and anybody who supports its retention as a parliament which can dictate to Scotland is the enemy of Scotland.

WHAT WE NEED is a seperate nation and recognise that Calman is just another attempt to appease the peasants.
ARE WE A NATION?
I SAY YES
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Il Penseroso,

inverurie 17/06/2009 11:36:07
Congrats to #55 Curley Bill and #75 Linda You both have highlighted the real disgrace in Gordon Brown's "open government, transparency, moral compass, responsible leadership, honesty with the voters ..." and every other political clap-trap this discredited Scottish Embarrassment (as opposed to Scottish Enlightenment) utters to a now realising electorate. Divine and the rest have been sacked. What about the equally disgraced "high heid yins" NOT sacked for even worse abuse of the system tolerated by the Fees Office and the Prime Minister; Geoff Hoon, Hasel Blears, Shahid Malik,Alistair (four flipper house purchaser) Darling and three times resurrected Mandelson? That just touches on the margins of more who will still be uncovered. Now Brown accepts the cries for an independent inquiry into the Iraq War but on his terms.Some hope of that being open and produced in court! He is one of the criminals who cannot afford to give evidence under oath or, like Blair, could end up being charged with international cimes! What an utter fraud this man has turned to be! He's no more a Labour supporter than Tony Blair is a peace negotiator.
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Sgian Achlais,

17/06/2009 11:40:12
This Devine Comedy really does paint a particularly pathetic picture of the Scottish Media. Especially the BBC and the print media.

Everyone knew this was a definite case of fraud and most likely one of many. A little bit of investigative journalism may have brought some truth about these claims of at least challenged the cover story.

Instead we awaited the official party response of kicking him into touch and now he will be savaged at the bequest of the Labour party.

He is not alone in being a corrupt, incompetent, labour trougher. The Labour party in Scotland is full to the brim of crooks, fraudsters, liars and troughers. Many are actually skilled in all four categories of sleaze.

I expect self interest from the tories who are at least true to their colours but from allegedly prudent Scottish socialists it is a total disgrace.

It is the equivalent of Green Party being involved in dumping Toxic waste. The Labour movement created around equality and wealth redistribution.

Not Elitism and Neopotism.
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brianmca3,

auld reekie 17/06/2009 11:48:20
has anyone else noticed browns gov is acting like the purple insurance company,which featured at the start of monty pythons "The Meaning of Life"
where old geezers brought fat bloated merchant bankers to their knees
hmm all sound like the crunch and collapse of banks
will brown and darling be singing the song "It's fun to charter an accountant,
And sail the wide accountan-cy.
To find, explore the funds offshore,
And skirt the shoals of bankruptcy.
It can be manly to be an MP.
We'll up our expenses semi-anually.
It's all non tax-deductible,
We're fairly corruptible.
We're sailing on the wide accountan-cy.
Avast broon beforethe electorate give ye a broadside across yer rear end matey!
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brianmca3,

auld reekie 17/06/2009 11:52:39
#111
i heard that mr "my wife eats a lot"martin wants his son to stand and take over his place at the trough
no doubt mr martin can give tips on not getting caught,and how ,as the poorest and most suffering from poor health,can be persauded to vote labour
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Tartan Viking,

17/06/2009 12:18:30
Shurely he has not been dumped.....but "shelved".

Ha ha ha ha ha
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 17/06/2009 12:20:44
So let me get this right. Devine is "banned from representing the party at the next election" ie deselected.

In the meantime however he is:
*Still repreenting Livingston on behalf of the Labour Party
*Still taking the Labour whip at Westminster
*Still a member of the Labour Party ie NOT expelled

WTF ! Labour spits in the face of Livingston voters. The fat chancer is not considered fit for purpose at a General Election in 2010 ... but is allowed to carry on in post for the next year.

Labour can't force him to resign his seat. But the very least they can do is to expel him from the party and withdraw the whip. That is, if they really are so displeased with his conduct...

WHY AREN'T THEY DOING THAT ???
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Tris,

17/06/2009 12:27:06
"As both Gordon Brown and the National Executive Committee have made clear, the Labour Party demands the very highest standard of its MPs."
++++++++++++++++

No it doesn't. He's still a labour MP and probably will be for another year. That's just rubbish.
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Mèths,

17/06/2009 12:33:01
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"Shurely he has not been dumped.....but "shelved"."

Not a bright spark then was he?
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Tris,

17/06/2009 12:47:41
#88/89. I seem to remember action being threatened by some of them. Moran for one. Then, a few days later, she took action. She said she would stand down and she paid back all the money.... Yep. That's action right enough.
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Luigiana,

Aberdeen 17/06/2009 12:49:44
#117

114

"Shurely he has not been dumped.....but "shelved"."

"Not a bright spark then was he?"

Thick as two planks
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Jay Kay,

17/06/2009 13:03:32
I have already shoood two of these Labourite parasites from my door, trying to push thier wares, becone foul evil odeous creeps of men, begone back to your dark dank holes. I will not tolerate any labour propeganda through my letterbox, these prospectous candidates can all go back to hell from whence they came.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 17/06/2009 13:07:03
They've got to keep them in their seats. Labour can't afford to fight any consequential by-elections. They are skint. If I was a tory (perish the thought) I would force any of my MP's caught with their hands in the till to resign and make Labour fight them for their seats. Cameron may well do that - he could afford to fund all the by-elections personally. So could half the shadow cabinet. That may be in the back of Brown's mind.
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Sgian Achlais,

17/06/2009 13:24:00
119Luigiana, Aberdeen 17/06/2009 12:49:44
#117

114

"Shurely he has not been dumped.....but "shelved"."

"Not a bright spark then was he?"

Thick as two planks

=====================

VAT's enough jokes about dodgy invoices submitted by Labour MP's.
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sacrebleu,,

17/06/2009 13:31:45
Honestly, does Jim Devine think we're all DAFT?
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dhu loch,

inveraray 17/06/2009 13:33:12
Not suitable to represent Labour....Surely that's a badge of honour.
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Noxious,

17/06/2009 14:02:01
What I don't understand is, if Devine and his fellow troughers who have been found out are no longer considered suitable to serve as MPs, why aren't they booted out now, rather than allowed to carry on until the next election. These people are now totally discredited and by allowing them to carry on in their jobs, their respective Parties are discrediting the political system further.
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FLUB,

a rocky outcrop in eastern central Scotland 17/06/2009 14:14:32
# 120 - see corrections in parentheses:

I have already shoood [shooed] two of these Labourite parasites from my door, trying to push [I would suggest the term 'peddle']thier [their] wares, becone [begone] foul [needs a comma] evil [needs a comma] odeous [odious] creeps of men, begone back to your dark [needs a comma] dank holes. I will not tolerate any labour [inconsistency - you have a capital at 'Labourite', but not here; why?] propeganda [propaganda - a common misspelling] through my letterbox, these prospectous [do you actually mean 'prospective'?] candidates can all go back to hell from whence [you don't need 'from' if you're using the archaism 'whence'. Use either 'whence' or 'from where'] they came.

Now, resubmit the post with the corrections and people might start to take you a little more seriously.
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Stan Butler,

17/06/2009 14:38:03
105 morris,

Do European countries buy in their news programmes from Luxembourg?


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Stan Butler,

17/06/2009 14:40:19
109 morris,


In order to avoid continuing to look like a fool I suggest you go away and find out the difference between a nation and a state.
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Astonished,

17/06/2009 14:40:31
I am delighted that Stan aka 'alex the labour dalek' is back to his cringeworthy best. Scotland couldn't produce a single programme worthy of the EBC. He has obviously never watched Eorpa. This doesn't surprise me

Unquestioning labour supporters are always ill-educated.




I believe devine has been unable to speak lately - he's dodgy in voice !



Finally as labour are keeping devine in the house of commons is devine just a "dead man working". And I thought that was what caused all the trouble in the first place.
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Astonished,

17/06/2009 14:43:14
Can't wait for the BBC news - I am going to laugh as they all avoid talking about devine.




The BBC - Stan thinks its honest and great !





Labour : no lie too small
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steve52,

Kinfauns 17/06/2009 14:47:08
A woman was found guity for stealing money from the Tories. Now if she tells the court when they come to pass sentence that it was a mistake and that she will pay the money back will she be admonished? I think not.

Devine has to be investigated by the police.

Police....where did you get tha stole car son.....Oh I bought it from a man in the pub.......your nicked.

I think Labour are clearing out those who have small majorities in the hope a new candidate will do better as labour voters will have been conned once more. Lets face it some sitting in cabinate are accused of doing worse but are still there with Gordons full support.
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El Franko,

17/06/2009 14:49:33
The question is, has he made enough money from 'the system', or will he, at long last, have to get a proper job?
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nostress,

grangemouth 17/06/2009 14:59:26
#135 Joe - you just don't get it do you? Devine is by no means the worst of the corrupt, nepostistic mob that passes for Labour in central Scotland. He's just been too stupid to come up with a decent excuse that's all. The point is, corruption is endemic in Labour, has been for 50 years or so and he genuinely can't see that he's done anything wrong. They really are like the mafia - they live by different rules to the rest of us especially when it comes to fiddling the taxpayer. They think we're mugs.
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Luigiana,

Aberdeen 17/06/2009 15:02:36
#137 nostress

We are mugs - if they get away with it this time.
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Captain Harry,

Dante's book shelf 17/06/2009 15:08:55
Watch this space, the same forty purblind idiots who gave Devine a vote of confidence will nominate another Parkhead regular and the masses of Livingstone will still vote for him. Meanwhile Michael Martin (row B, main stand, just along from Devine) will ensure his son takes his place and continues the family's proud tradition of pursuing the best interests of gangsters so long as they contribute to the Labour party.
I've really got no time for nationalists but if they're what it takes to sweep this parcel of rogues from power then so be it.
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Arthur G,

Glasgow 17/06/2009 15:11:11
Stan Butler #73

"What a metaphor for the whole idea of Scottish separatism."

Eh, no? Your remarks are, by contrast, non sequitur
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FLUB,

a rocky outcrop in eastern central Scotland 17/06/2009 15:12:59
#128 - Your Grace, yes I do. If they have been found wanting by either the criminal justice system, which is looking less and less likely as each week passes, OR by their party's internal scrutiny/misconduct systems, then their position, in my view becomes untenable.

It seesm the term 'Honourable Member' is merely cosmetic.

#129 - I'm glad you liked it, but your unnecessary, alliterative insult has fallen on stony ground.
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hoblar,

17/06/2009 15:14:38
"A Scottish Broadcasting Corporation would never have the resources to equal the BBC in the breadth or depth of its coverage.

It would be second rate.

It would never produce a report like the one from China."


I know all I need to know about China, as I am sure Switzerland and Norway and Ireland know loads about China.

The part of the world I would expect to know more about is the country, Scotland, where I live with my family.

The bbc gets 9% of its revenue from Scotland and gets about 3.5% back, so the amount that is returned for Scotland based news and programming has a similar dividend to the Westminster dividend, not worth it.

I am sure we Scots will still know all we need to about China when we get a proper representative Scottish news media, and that is an area that we direly need.

As to the Devine debacle, the people in Livingston do not deserve this disgraced MP getting paid when he is a disgrace, and it is going to cause massive problems for new Labour if this corrupt MWP stays on at a job when the public distrust both him and his party.

I see there are 'electrician courses' advertised below the commentary box...........

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Luigiana,

Aberdeen 17/06/2009 15:14:51
#126 Noxious

"why aren't they booted out now, rather than allowed to carry on until the next election..."

With regard to Jim Devine, it's up to the people of Livingston. Are they willing to accept that a shamed MP will continue to represent them?, or are they angry enough to force the issue? A mass demo or vigil outside JD's surgery would help to focus minds.

Hold fire - give Jim Devine a week's grace to make up his mind (no more). He is still in deep shock.

Mind you, revenge is supposed to be a dish best served cold, so the "shamed, stepping-down, but still-in-place" MPs may just be allowed to keep milking for another year. It really doesn't bode well for the Labour party, however. Someone has to pay, if the voters are denied now, they may take it out on Labour next year.
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nostress,

grangemouth 17/06/2009 15:44:31
#141 FLUB - I apologise - my insult was gratuitous - but I just can't stand petty pedantry. We all knew what Jay Kay was saying and it's not like he was drawing up a legal document or something.
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Geomac 1,

Scotland 17/06/2009 15:52:48
One of many, I hope!! Some consideration of prosecution for fraud must be given by police.
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Kirstene,

Helensburgh 17/06/2009 15:53:17
I think this song "MP's Expenses Blues" written and performed by Lionel McClelland on You Tube says it all

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52VChTByA9c
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FLUB,

a rocky outcrop in eastern central Scotland 17/06/2009 16:09:56
#14 - de nada. Sometimes it amuses one to be pedantic. But you must admit, JayKay's style, with its 'begones' and so forth is just a shade pretentious.
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FLUB,

a rocky outcrop in eastern central Scotland 17/06/2009 16:10:40
Sorry - that should have been #144 Nostress.
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nostress,

grangemouth 17/06/2009 16:22:23
#147 - Just a tad, granted. I see my insult @ #129 has been removed - gratuitous or not I was quite pleased with that one - ah well must have been an alliteration hater!
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Ronald Penman,

Glasgow 17/06/2009 16:45:52
Yep, if ya want a good larf, turn, in times of trouble to the ebc.

Last nights "Newsnight-Hootsmon" - an oxymoron if ever there was one - was a classic of its kind.
Not only did it come off network early, but thanks to their Devine Intervention, the sleazey scandal was over almost before it began. Did anyone time their "contribution" ?
Then of course their website was mysteriously blocked -can't think why .

And they have the bloody temmerity to comment on such shamefull practises in Iran. You just couldn't make it up.

The only journalist to emerge once again with integrity and credibility intact is JOURNALIST OF THE YEAR The Sunday Heralds Paul Hutcheon, who has been running with this story from the go get.
The rest of the hacks are nothing less than deplorable!
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Distalgesic,

17/06/2009 17:11:25
I see he is threatening to force a by-election ... I say that all these MPs now "standing down" should go now and have a by-election to replace the thieving bampots.
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Tartan Viking,

17/06/2009 17:20:30
#153. Good news. Let's have a by-election on a grand scale. Think it's referred to as a General Election!!
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Geomac 1,

Scotland 17/06/2009 17:40:24
#52 Berero
Any member of the public can lodge a complaint - whatever the evidence.
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Stan Butler,

17/06/2009 17:53:35
142 hoblar

What a fool you are.

An ignorant, inward looking fool.

A typical gnat.
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Willie Mor,

17/06/2009 17:59:05
I see the censorship baseball bat has been hard at work today removing comments about Mr Devine and what corruption means when it is not dealt with.

So let's say it again.

This guy is walking away with a gold plated pension paid by the taxpayer, together with the thousands in dodgy expenses.

No doubt after the next election Mr Devine will be free to enjoy his fine pension which will be far better than that of most ordinary taxpayers.

In fact, just like Sir Fred who is locked away in a luxury French pad enjoying his super duper £2,000 a day taxpayer pension, except that Mr Devine will not be surrounded by security guards and rotweiller dogs.

Some day however, Mr Goodwin will not have his security, and maybe on that day, someone who has lost their life savings, or their pension, will meet Sir Fred for a bit of justice that the rule of law will not deliver.

Sad that one has to postulate that such things could be a possibility in our failing democracy, but obviously Sir Fred thinks so when he has fled the country and surrounded himself with security.

For the good of this country we need to root out this rotten and pervasive corruption that has infected every aspect of how our society operates.

I want to live in a peaceful democratic country and not the Wild West or some hick Latin American republic where justice is not done, and physical violence is the way that people seek to fill the void.

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Stan Butler,

17/06/2009 17:59:58
132


'He has obviously never watched Eorpa'


I have watched Eorpa. It's a good enough series. It's just not in the same league as the report from China I was referring to.

The reason why a Scottish broadcaster couldn't provide programmes of the quality of the BBC is because Scotland is too small a country to provide sufficient resources for the task.You couldn't expect it to.

It's obviously an article of faith among the gnats that the BBC is anti Scottish and must be replaced by a smaller, more local service.

144

Keith Lagden,

17/06/2009 18:00:02
Jim Devine (soon to be be former MP) should be in the dock at Linlithgow Sheriff Court and taken down with time in prison, other people have had that taste just for fiddling the Dole. Devine is no different. I'm sure he'll have some prominent people in his pocket keeping him out of prison.
145

Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 17/06/2009 18:39:08
Why is he permitted to stay on as an MP? Surely he should be forced out even arrested and an immediate by-election called. Now!!!
146

Brianwci,

17/06/2009 18:45:58
He claims to be ready to quit now and create a by-election, but that sounds like more London Labour type spin.

We would have more respect for him if he did. He could even stand as an independent and let his constituents back him in huge numbers or not.

But he's more likely to just hang on, collect his salary and severance pay and slope off into the darkness.
147

Observer,,

Glasgow 17/06/2009 18:59:37
159 Stan are you being purposefully obtuse ? Not everything broadcast in Scotland will necessarily be made in Scotland. We will still be able to buy into quality BBC news coverage or drama etc. But the programming will be from a Scottish perspective.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 17/06/2009 19:01:53
161 Labour can't afford any by elections. They don't have either a fighting fund or footsoldiers to deploy. That is why these disgraced MP's will hang on 'til the bitter end - that, and to collect their severence pay. And remember - the longer you serve, even if it is only by months, the bigger your pension is.
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Willie Mor,

17/06/2009 19:03:24
#162

Yes, why does Mr Devine not stand down, force a by-election, and stand as an independent.

If he is innocent then the people will know that and reinforce his popularity.

Secondly, why are the Labour party allowing him to continue on as a Labour MP.

if he is not suitable to be re-selected as a Labour candidate, then he is not suitable to continue as a Labour MP.

Come on now Mr Brown what about it?

You've judged the man, and found him unsuitable to be selected as a candidate for Labour, - so why do you allow unsuitable individuals to continue as Labour MPs.

This is why this country is rotten to it's very core. And no Police investigation either!

150

Willie Mor,

17/06/2009 19:08:40
If Mr Devine dealt drugs and or laundered money do you think he would have been investigated.

No of course not. he would have continued in his job before retiring to receive his fine taxpayer funded pension.

However, and it is a big however, big if he had ratted on drug baron pals, then he might have found himself on the end of some sanction.

Scum bag above the law but maybe not the people!
151

Pattester,

Galashiels 17/06/2009 20:34:41
This MP must think that people are daft he took BBC Scotland on a tour around the flat that is supposed to have been re-wired if this is the case then I think he should get hold of the electrician who did the work and sue him as the material he used is at least 30 years old and is out of date the consumer unit (main Switch) is a Wylex type with the old style push button circuit breakers these have not been used in a new re-wire for many years so you have shot yourself in the foot Mr MP by showing BBC Scotland into your flat. and as someone else has said if this was a member of the electorate he/she would have been in custody by now and charged with fraud but like all of the MP's they seem to get away with murder and even if they have to stand down at the next election that could be a year away meantime they are still collecting the massive salary and low and behold their expenses as well as a exceptional high pension what is going on are the public in this country so soft that these people can get away with this deception and get paid for doing it come on get your act together and don't let them away with it.
152

Sgian Achlais,

17/06/2009 20:43:59
I think Brown and co in London are using these people as shields. Keeping them until the full expenses information is leaked and then we will see just how bad it is.

Then they will sack these people and again keep the cabinet ministers free as the public wil have received a sacrifice of sorts.

Time will tell.
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hoblar,

17/06/2009 22:03:35
"The reason why a Scottish broadcaster couldn't provide programmes of the quality of the BBC is because Scotland is too small a country to provide sufficient resources for the task.You couldn't expect it to. "

Get that load of kak on your election pamphlet if you are so sure it is valid, and watch what happens.

Scotland provided not only books for mass reading, but had a readership (the majority of the population) able to actually read the books about 300 years before the rest of Europe (which was much much bigger) even began to think about educating the general population.

So don't be telling Scotland what we can and cannot do, making a tv program needs will and proper financing, the bbc is unable to fund this preferring to keep the severely reduced money for Scotland to bombard us with 'new labour news' entitled 'Newsnight Scotland'-where the bbc use a small 'S' for Scotland in the title.

says it all.

The likes of the above deluded multi commentator can defend the union all he likes, but it is all going pete tong, and Scotland will demonstrate very clearly what we believe we can achieve by voting........having new labour in a blue dress (the tories) won't be happening, and new labour are falling deeper and deeper into a pit where they won't be doing so well for Scottish MWP cannon fodder in westminster.

In Holyrood the same lack of unionist votes will be the norm.

So just let the clown who thinks one documentary on China demonstrates an overall quality for bbc reportage live in dreamworld, because there will be a quality programme due on how Scottish voting practices reduced the UK to just a 'K' without the 'U'.



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hoblar,

17/06/2009 22:09:50
By the way, let's all celebrate the way new labour backed and then dropped the rather cretinous Jim Devine-the media colluded to make the first MWP likely to fall in Scotland as un-newsworthy as possible....wait until they try and sell the ASLEF clown waiting to take his place as a 'candidate', he said that the clamour for a by election was:

"The SNP playing politics".

Really? No demand for a by election, nobody immensely dissatisfied with Jim devine and the Labour party and the scandals and the economic mismanagement and the fact that this disgraced MWP can still get paid for perhaps a whole year?

Oh dear oh dear, such utter contempt for the intelligence of the people of Livingston from the outset....bring it on!
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morris,

edinburgh 17/06/2009 22:17:52
130 News programs are usually made as locally as possible and they are made with coverage of World events also, and even Scotland has both a regional/national news program and a national UK news.Thats not unusual and happens in many countries.Half of the programs you watch are probably USA/Australian/Other English speaking country in origin.

I was talking about television programs collectively,which includes potentially anything and a News broadcast was never mentioned by me . If you are going to comment Id prefer you did so on what I did say, not what I did NOT say!

131 The United Kingdom is a multinational state comprising of four nations called Scotland England Northern Ireland and Wales but we are treated as a single country .There are many bodies which exist as independent organisations in Scotland, and acknowledge our nation exists.
Scotlands national identity has never been removed,as is clear with her seperate legal system and education system (excluding higher education).
I suggest you are the one who does not know what The United Kingdom is.
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nostress,

grangemouth 17/06/2009 22:27:49
hoblar #170 &171 excellent posts - obviously they will be way above poor wee Stan "we're too pathetic" Butler - the unionist cringer.
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morris,

edinburgh 17/06/2009 22:33:24
152 Lothians and Borders Police will probably refer you to the Metropolitan Police claiming they have no jurisdiction over matters concerning Westminster MPS.

Metopolitan Police will probably never proceed with any prosecution unless Labour feel that a sacrificial lamb is needed to appease the peasants.

If anything does happen it will only be because Labour have not managed to do a Wendy like they did here in the Scots parliament.

Of course we all know what should happen,but the law breakers are the law makers and I doubt if the law can be enforced under those circumstances.
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Electric Hermit,

17/06/2009 22:49:34
174
morris

"Metopolitan Police will probably never proceed with any prosecution unless Labour feel that a sacrificial lamb is needed to appease the peasants."

Paranoid nonsense. If the Met/CPS don't proceed the most likely explanation is that there is insufficient evidence for a successful prosecution.

EVIDENCE! FFS look it up!

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Brianwci,

17/06/2009 22:55:29
#105 morris: "The BBC raises 9% of its revenue in Scotland and spends around 3 to 4% and this is well documented."

This has always been the case morris. As President of the Nationalist Club at Edinburgh in 1970 I did a detailed survey of the license fee and it clearly showed Scotland would be infinitely better off if BBC Scotland had control of even half of the license money collected in Scotland never mind all of it.

Independence in every sense of the word is the obvious and only step forward.
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Shellfishfarmer,

Inverness 17/06/2009 22:58:38
Talking about muddles and fiddles, I don't know whether this is material to JD's circumstances, but I could more or less guarantee that the guy has a drink problem. Anybody in Livingston like to confirm that?
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Electric Hermit,

17/06/2009 23:22:00
177
Shellfishfarmer

"...I could more or less guarantee that the guy has a drink problem. Anybody in Livingston like to confirm that?"

You are a lackwit gossip looking for another lackwit gossip to support the gossiping of a lackwit. And you seem to be lackwit enough to suppose that having the support of another lackwit would make you less of a lackwit.

Did I mention you're a lackwit?

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morris,

edinburgh 17/06/2009 23:26:54
175 You mean like with Wendy and the Procurator Fiscal was never allowed to assess the quality of evidence here in Scotland ?

We shall see if the Crown Prosecution Service are allowed to do their job ,wont we !

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Darien,

Panama 17/06/2009 23:30:35
#178 Electric Hermit

"lackwit"

Never heard of that one before. If you must resort to name-calling, can't you think of something a bit more sophisticated?
165

Electric Hermit,

17/06/2009 23:35:30
179
morris

"We shall see if the Crown Prosecution Service are allowed to do their job ,wont we !"

Seems you have already decided there is a "conspiracy" here. And you're not about to let a mundane explanation get in the way.

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Electric Hermit,

17/06/2009 23:36:27
180
Darien

"Never heard of that one before."

Have you heard of a dictionary?

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morris,

edinburgh 17/06/2009 23:45:22
176 I dont doubt it Brian. I have a background which included both the performing and technical side of the entertainment industry. That is one of precious few areas where I probably do have a fair input which is first hand and have a fair knowedge of what has been going on for years.

The media employees themselves know only too well how twisted the Scottish Press and Media are. Its maybe just as well that the Hoots and Weegie have falling circulations because I know that staff are leaving them anyway !

There is no question about it.

Scotland can only benefit from independence and that is something that even Brian Wilson and John Biffen have admitted which makes our resident Unionists on here look pretty foolish.They repeat what others have told them.They could not possibly conclude this when even the Labour and Tory party have on occasion admitted the strength of the SNPs argument.The problem is they have also claimed the opposite, more often and more vociferously.

Even the village idiot should be able to work out that if you are saying both (expediency being the rule) that they can only be liars !
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morris,

edinburgh 17/06/2009 23:51:22
181 I have decided nothing.

I said "WE SHALL SEE". We are all wiser after the event and thats obvious as it can be.

I merely pointed out that Wendy already walked when she had previously admitted her guilt.
It would be quite ridiculous of me to suggest that a possibility might include that which HAS ALREADY HAPPENED wouldn't it.Doh !
Im not claiming to have a crystal ball, but I have something which is also quite informative.Its called a TV set .Are you telling me it did not happen ?
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Electric Hermit,

18/06/2009 00:12:40
184
morris

If an individual is not prosecuted the most likely explanation is that there is insufficient evidence to secure a conviction. Deftly avoiding the most obvious explanation you assume some conspiracy to prevent the CPS doing its job. Which makes you a bit of a sad conspiracy freak.

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Brianwci,

18/06/2009 01:41:57
OIL AND GAS: £20BILLION SHORTFALL

Marvellous what you can do with numbers. Kuwait, Abu Dhabi, Saudi Arabia, Qatar etc can be transformed from desert economies (i.e. have to build a modern civilisation from scratch....goats the main resource)but Scotland, above all other countries in the world discovers Oil and gas and yet somehow or other would not have enough to live on for most of the years Oil has been flowing!

Many words spring to mind, none of them printable.

The sooner the Independence debate gets going so we can nail this sh*te into the ground the better. This is absolutely lunacy.

No, worse, it's downright LIES!!!

I comment here because we are not allowed to challenge this 'filth' in the original article.



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donald,

glasgow 18/06/2009 06:39:47
Jim Who?

 

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