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Published Date: 24 April 2009
BANK bosses have come under fire after spending thousands of pounds on a "junket" which saw them enjoy sumo wrestling and quad biking at a top hotel – on the same day they announced plans to sack around 1000 staff.
Bank of Scotland paid for staff and mortgage brokers to take part in the team building event at the four-star Crieff Hydro yesterday.

The party was treated to a morning of quad biking before donning fat suits for a spot of sumo wrestling in the afternoon.

Politicians today criticised the event, held on the same day that Bank of Scotland's parent company, Lloyds, said it would shed around 1000 jobs across the UK.

But the bank, which was part of the £11.5 billion taxpayers' bailout of HBOS, said the away day was important for maintaining relationships with clients.

One source said members of middle management were among those taking part in the "junket" at the upmarket Perthshire retreat, which included lunch and dinner. It is understood some of the group also stayed at the hotel though the exact cost is unknown.

"It's nice to know that they're taking the health of the economy so seriously," she said.

The Hydro, which markets itself as Scotland's leading leisure resort, advertises the team building days as a way to "beat the office blues".

When the Evening News called yesterday, a member of staff said: "They have been out quad biking with us and have just gone up to the clubhouse for some lunch. They're doing archery at 2pm and then the sumo suits at 3.15pm."

George Foulkes, MSP for the Lothians, said: "I don't know what it's going to take to get through to some of these bankers. The reputation of politicians may not be that high at the moment, but bankers are way down below that. Under circumstances where the economy is progressing and banking is prospering, this may be acceptable, but under the present circumstances they really need to be keeping their noses to the grindstone."

In November, HBOS was criticised after reportedly spending £330,000 on a "staff jolly" at Edinburgh's Prestonfield Hotel.

Irish comedian Patrick Kielty entertained 302 Halifax/Bank of Scotland mortgage staff after the Government had agreed the multi-billion pound bailout of the troubled lender.

A spokesman for Bank of Scotland said of yesterday's event: "This is an event for brokers and enables us to continue to maintain relationships with the broker community. We are very sensitive to the financial difficulties that people are facing up and down the country and, like all companies, we are keeping a close eye on all our costs, including client events."

A DAY TO REMEMBER
AM - Quad biking Bank bosses and mortgage brokers would have been able to enjoy superb views over Strathearn while taking part in the Hydro's all-terrain off-road driving course.

Lunch

2pm - Archery

3.15pm - Sumo wrestling Crieff Hydro offers corporate guests a range of challenges, including tug-of-war, gladiator duels and even their chance to play human table football. However, the Bank of Scotland group is understood to have plumped for sumo wrestling, where participants put on plastic fat suits and engage in the Japanese martial art.


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  • Last Updated: 24 April 2009 10:06 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Halifax Bank of Scotland
 
1

Duncan in Edinburgh,

24/04/2009 11:51:10
More scapegoating from politicians. Quick, look over there, someone is continuing to build their business instead of looking glum and wearing sack-cloth. Berate them!

An alternative view would be that the money spent benefits not only the team involved, but the tourism industry, paying the wages of hospitality staff and keeping them in jobs.

If you want to berate someone, berate the companies who are moving manufacturing bases outside the UK to save costs; and those who are importing from low-cost economies like Asda and Tesco.

At least this money is staying in our economy.
2

steve 1511,

aberdeen 24/04/2009 11:53:32
the trough feeder foulkes,the perfect example of what is wrong with british politicians
3

alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 24/04/2009 11:56:11
A law for the bosses,and none for the workers.
4

Noodle doodle,

24/04/2009 12:00:59
it's a new rule: You can't have fun or rewards if someone with a tenuous connection (say working in a completely different department or a separate company under the same umbrella organisation) has performed poorly or got fired.
5

simonp,

eh11 24/04/2009 12:02:23
#1 While you have a point it does show the arrogance of bankers which, as far as I can tell, has in no way diminished.

Also I wish people would stop using the argument that something is ok if it creates jobs putting children up chimneys creates "jobs " but would you want that to return?
6

Bob 2,

24/04/2009 12:04:54
duncan

and the poor banks workers getting paid off

never mind the BILLIONS that the BRITISH TAX payer has pumped into the banks

And given that mortgages is one of the main reasons we are in this mess, hopefully the FUN DAY will stop them lending sums that people can't afford


Or it could be part of the Interview, look if you can beat me at Archery....the moneys yours
7

Daudi Baldrs,

Norway 24/04/2009 12:06:05
The picture isn't very convincing. Don't go applying for an SFX job with Spielberg anytime soon, EEN.

It looks like Simon Cowell (left) and Elton John (right) boogying in a vat of custard.
8

Daudi Baldrs,

Norway 24/04/2009 12:07:26
Patrick Kielty is about as funny as genocide.
9

Duncan in Edinburgh,

24/04/2009 12:08:04
#5 Well no it doesn't. It's not arrogant to continue to run their business in a way which maximises profit; especially when we now own most of that business, and the profit is therefore to the benefit of the country.

No, in fact I'd say it was admirable to stand up to the bullying media and politicians and say "scapegoat us if you like, we're just going to get on with the job of running this business to the best of our abilities".

Your second para is bizarre. Who is talking about child labour? Surely it is good to create or maintain UK jobs? Do you seriously disagree with that?
10

Bob 2,

24/04/2009 12:08:45
Duncan

If you want to berate someone, berate the companies who are moving manufacturing bases outside the UK to save costs; and those who are importing from low-cost economies like Asda and Tesco.

But Duncan we are all part of the mess, we all want cheap goods, paid for on Credit that wasn't regulated

Going Global/Free Market ...was the slogans...it started with Maggie and was finished of by Mr G Brown

And look at the mess....Bankrupt Britain.... and we will all be paying off the Bankers debts for the next 20 odd years

Yip thats the benefits of the Free Global Market
11

Christopher André Breton Morris ,

24/04/2009 12:09:16
Good comments Duncan, its just shame that yours and mine don't fit the "everything is black and white" halfwit demographic of this newspaper.
12

Ichabod,

24/04/2009 12:10:46
Inconsiderate bankers?
Whatever next? At least when they are partying they are not overcharging us.
They deserve Patrick Keilty.
13

Christopher André Breton Morris ,

24/04/2009 12:11:34
No , the picture is obviously real. All self respecting middle management want to be photographed with leery, uncaring faces in sumo suits on the lawn of the Crieff Hydro.

(whose reality is this ?)
14

malcyh,

24/04/2009 12:14:38
Goodness. Geroge will be asking for Sir Fred's knighthood back next. Can we just reming George that Lords Watson and Archer both have done time, have criminal records and still have titles. Sir Fred has no criminal record as far as I am aware. Ah but different rules for those with most of their bodies in the trough.
15

Bob 2,

24/04/2009 12:16:43
Duncan

totally agree about british jobs.

Ourselfs along with TESCOs etc have damaged British Businesses and British Jobs...cutting Farmers margins to peanuts..so we wend up with meat coming from Argentina !!

"Outsourcing" (moving) jobs to other countries is just taking money out of the economy, which only makes things worse for the British Economy.

We all want goods and service on the cheap... but we are now paying the price.

But having watched a number of documentaries, GREED has been the biggest problem.

Making money from shares that you don't own.

16

Bigwull,

edinburgh 24/04/2009 12:18:22
These team building excersises are a complete waste of time anyway, whats wrong with everyone doing their own job, then things run nicely
17

simonp,

eh11 24/04/2009 12:20:12
#5 It does show arrogance as this is showing that they will do what they want (as I am sure you know well) and have little regard to public censure. These awaydays are justified as improving relationships but as anyone who has been on one will know they are a complete waste of time. No one ever does an appraisal to quantify these benefites because there aren't any

Your comment that my second paragraoh is bizarre ignores my point that you should not use employemnt as a justifcation for anything which you may support. The additional employment from this was probably zero and thus your comment is fatuous.
18

Daudi Baldrs,

Norway 24/04/2009 12:20:34
HBoS should have spent the money getting Ghostface Hornby to do some cabaret magic tricks.

He could pull a wabbit from a hat and make £10 disappear and boogie in a vat of custard with flamboyant Briaian's Got Talent hopeful Susan Boyle.

19

Christopher André Breton Morris ,

24/04/2009 12:21:31
10 bob you are right. Its basically down to individual greed , credit card debt in the uk is about two thirds of Europes as a whole.

Accepting that we are all grown ups , including those who took out sub prime mortgages . it's our fault. Generally.


20

Duncan in Edinburgh,

24/04/2009 12:23:07
Bob #10/15 you're absolutely right, of course - Asdas and Tescos don't pop up uninvited - we have lived through decades of being able to buy more and more complex electronics, and better and better quality clothing, all for less and less money. We bleat about loss of jobs and loss of community while driving to out of town shopping centres to buy imported mass-produced goods. We've industrialised farming and fishing and thrown the baby out with the bathwater. And we're reduced to wailing and gnashing our teeth at people who are just getting on with their jobs.
21

Duncan in Edinburgh,

24/04/2009 12:29:09
#17 I never claimed any additional employment - if you read my original comment I said the money spent by the bank would pay people's wages and keep them in jobs. And it's true. Hospitality is being hit hard by this recession, there are a lot of jobs being lost. We're not in the business of creating new ones - we're in the business of protecting those that are left.
22

Daudi Baldrs,

Norway 24/04/2009 12:33:09
Why didn't govt bail out Farepak?

Why did it bail out shiney troosered, orange-tanned HBoS, a company that was run by inept ****s?


23

simonp,

eh11 24/04/2009 12:35:51
#15 the other point to note is that the central warehousing of Tescos etc means that 1 in 3 (approx) lorries on the roads are moving food around which in many cases could be produced locally
24

I love to eat Sellotape,

24/04/2009 12:37:00
22. Because Farepak is the domain of Chavtastic Tenants-swilling ITV fetishists?
25

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 24/04/2009 12:38:48
At this time and in these circumstances, there is only one word which can summarise the behaviour of these Bank bosses, that word is 'disgusting'.

26

Christopher André Breton Morris ,

24/04/2009 12:40:44
22 because if the major banks go under we will all be living in caves.

whereas farepak was just a schemie pyramid scheme.
27

Daudi Baldrs,

24/04/2009 12:43:27
#22

From The Guardian:

Halifax was banker to Farepak's parent company, EHR. Halifax's parent group, HBOS, has been the subject of an early day motion in which Frank Field MP called on the bank to compensate savers. He wanted HBOS to "make good quickly the savings of decent citizens, carefully saving money with Farepak"

28

Enemy ninja kayaku foo ,

24/04/2009 12:45:11
I have a credit card with a zero balance.

Oh yeah!
29

simonp,

eh11 24/04/2009 12:47:10
#25 absolutely but smoe believe that as long as it keeps one or two people in jobs at minimum wage it is ok (see #21)
30

I love to eat Sellotape,

24/04/2009 12:47:55
28. Are you Georgia Fame?
31

Duncan in Edinburgh,

24/04/2009 12:49:03
#26 No it wasn't. It was an accessible, street-level savings scheme in which many hard-working people lost money they could ill-afford to lose, and it brought hardship to the poorest communities in Scotland. There was nothing dodgy about the scheme itself; but those who ran it essentially embezzled the money into another company in the group and diddled thousands out of their own savings.
32

Tuco,

24/04/2009 12:52:48
EEn - more pathetic / rubbish reporting. Anything for a story though.
33

Steven P,

edinburgh 24/04/2009 12:54:15
A spokesman for Bank of Scotland said of yesterday's event: "This is an event for brokers and enables us to continue to maintain relationships with the broker community."
Parasites entertaining parasites.
Should have filled the Hydro swimming pool with insecticide and drowned them all.
34

Enemy ninja kayaku foo ,

24/04/2009 12:54:28
I shall neither confirm nor deny that I may be Georgia Fame.
35

I love to eat Sellotape,

24/04/2009 12:55:17
Oh yeah!
36

Bob 2,

24/04/2009 12:55:27
23 simonp,eh11 24/04/2009 12:35:51

yip seen a documentary a few years ago

food was being shipped from a farm to mainland europe to be sorted, then came back to guess were..

the supermarket a few miles from the farm

and amazingly... not all carrots are straight !!!

yip total madness and this goes on all the time with fruit and veg.

tomatoes in January.... as Mr G Ramsay says things should be seasonal
37

Daudi Baldrs,

Norway 24/04/2009 12:55:29
Govt didn't save Farepak and it should have.

Mind you, Labour are the Tories so no surprise basically.

Govt should not have saved HBoS in the way it did. It deserved to go.
38

Bill MacD,

24/04/2009 12:59:13
In all seriousness, I can see why any company should see sound commercial reasons for wanting to invest in team building and morale boosting events, particularly for staff who have been through such a torrid time as these guys, suffering the slings and arrows of numpties like so many of the commenters above, who want to blame anyone connected with a bank for the crimes (literally) of their bosses and directors.

BUT, it does make me wonder about the calibre of staff they have if they cannot see the PR disaster in waiting of going off playing on the same day they make lots of their staff redundant. This is such a basic error that the staff responsible should themselves be facing the boot.
39

simonp,

eh11 24/04/2009 12:59:35
#36 just like his ready meals
40

Daudi Baldrs,

Norway 24/04/2009 13:02:40
Fat Moira from accounts keeps winning the Sumo contest.
41

I love to eat Sellotape,

24/04/2009 13:04:46
I don't mean to be unkind here ... well, perhaps I do, I don't know ... but there are an awful lot of people in this country who could participate in the sumo thing without needing an inflatable rubber suit. I mean, talk about walking tubs of goo.
42

Tuco,

24/04/2009 13:12:13
Duncan - good posts. At least you have some common sense.
43

bloodninja,

behind you 24/04/2009 13:13:37
I agree. I saw a fat lass stuffing a HUGE sarnie into her face at the bus stop today as I drove past.
44

bloodninja,

24/04/2009 13:13:58
43 is to 41

45

Daudi Baldrs,

Norway 24/04/2009 13:14:38

#41 Bad weather and Calvinism made us go silly with the pie consumption.
46

alec splode,

Edinburgh 24/04/2009 13:17:30
This story is horrenousluy innacurate.
There's nothing "upmarket" about Crieff Hydro.
47

Daudi Baldrs,

Norway 24/04/2009 13:17:32
Fatness is probably an accident of genetics.

All the office fatties ever eat for lunch is a lettuce and a yogurt.

So either they go home and scarf a KFC Variety Bucket, or .... ah wait, now I get it.
48

Christopher André Breton Morris ,

24/04/2009 13:33:59
Incase you havent seen the south park credit crunch episode.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wq131J7LEU

"and - it's gone"
49

Christopher André Breton Morris ,

24/04/2009 13:34:27
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wq131J7LEU

"and it's gone"

South Park
50

Pizzanonsense,

24/04/2009 13:47:38
#28 #30
Surely you mean Briana Ferry
51

Daudi Baldrs,

Norway 24/04/2009 13:53:18
Every day its a gettin closer, goin faster than a rollercoaster, collapse of the western economy will surely come to pass, a hey hey
52

Daudi Baldrs,

Norway 24/04/2009 13:54:44
Edinburgh feels like Berlin before the war
53

Christopher André Breton Morris ,

24/04/2009 13:57:00
edinburgh feels like a big freezerland bag filled with crisps and beans.
54

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

24/04/2009 14:09:39
What they really need is a game of paintball, with real bullets.
55

bloodninja,

24/04/2009 14:11:43
Edinburgh feels like Berlin 1 day after the war
56

Daudi Baldrs,

Norway 24/04/2009 14:16:16
What they need is a food fight in Farmfood with real AK-47s and decoy pies and a council missive starting with the phrase "It is envisaged that..."
57

Geo_1875,

Edinburgh 24/04/2009 14:57:55
No George, bankers reputations are not way down below that of politicians. Never have been and never will be. Not while there are leeches like yourself who have never produced anything worthwhile, yet are paid from the public purse, and allowed a platform to spout inaccurate nonsense whenever the fancy takes.
58

dazza23,

24/04/2009 15:23:59
#6
what about the tw**s that applied for the mortgages that they could not afford??? why would you apply for something like that? so not just the banks fault i would say. and as for all these people losing there jobs, i took a thing called INCOME PROTECTION so if i was to be paid off all my income would still be there. amazing invetion. to much band wagon jumping going on in this country.
59

Tuco,

24/04/2009 16:04:50
I HOPE THE BANK EMPLOYEES HAD A BRILLIANT TIME. TOO MANY THICK / IGNORANT POSTERS ON HERE.
60

Daudi Baldrs,

Norway 24/04/2009 16:28:26
Next week: HBoS middle management it's a knockout:

First prize is a Cadillac Eldorado

Second prize is a set of steak knives.

Third prize is: you're fired! ( Even if you are a corporate bully)

61

Daudi Baldrs,

24/04/2009 16:29:39
Did Ghostface Hornby buy HBoS a pair of knickers when he left? if not he should have, he made a right c*** of it!
62

Lang Spoon,

Somewhere in Leith 24/04/2009 16:32:36
Never saw the point of teambuilding myself, and I've been involved in a few; the thing is, anyone who stands up and says "this is rubbish!" is accused of having the "wrong attitude".
63

Christopher André Breton Morris ,

24/04/2009 16:38:35
63 Never mind mate. Some people are unemployable for good reasons , eg hey are too smart for rubbish like this. It takes a certain type of person to devote 40 years of the only life you have to a bank.

A halwfit.
64

Daudi Baldrs,

Norway 24/04/2009 16:39:35
The forced smiles and laughs of the corporate teambuilding = horrible.

Then Randall turns to the Chief and the Chief can speak after all he goes "Hmm Juicy Fruit" and Randall gets half his cerebrum removed and The Chief breaks free, The Chief throws the sink thru the window and runs over the hills.

Billy Bibbit k k k kills himself.
65

Daudi Baldrs,

24/04/2009 16:41:04
Britains Got Talent From Accounts

Moira sings James Blunt songs over karaoke backing.

A nation applauds.
66

im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 24/04/2009 16:44:48
a bunch of bankers having a day out,and di they rub it in to the ones who lost their job
"do you know where we are going tomorrow?,no well were having a fun day out,oh and you?,why you will be at the job centre filling in forms to get your next wage"
well if you dont like it ,dont bank with them,lets see how smug they feel ,when its their turn to go on the dole
also hated that snooty superior look they gave you,when you asked about overdrafts
67

Duncan in Edinburgh,

24/04/2009 16:50:48
#67 No, they didn't rub it in the noses of those who lost their jobs.

The Evening News did.
68

calum,

24/04/2009 17:33:00
#68 - Come off it, Duncan. This whole issue is, at best, completely insensitive, and I think you know that!
69

Hugh Roscombe,

24/04/2009 17:41:23
Archery? FFS. What's up with a game of darts down the pub?
70

Yeti No.9,

Edinburgh 24/04/2009 18:09:55
Awww. C'mon guys. Patrick Kielty? I guess there is some justice after all. Seems like the fat cats are getting what they deserved. I'm sure one of Dante's levels of hell is called "Kielty", isn't it?
71

The Ayrshire Bard,

24/04/2009 19:03:55
The only thing wrong with this whole affair is the timing. It's a bit insensitive to do this sort of thing when your colleagues are suffering.
anaever having been on one of these team-bonding jaunts I really have no idea if they're effective or not, but there appears to be a whole industry built on them and that needs a lot of help as well.
72

Robert12,

24/04/2009 19:24:02
And to think people criticise the council for wasting money and champion these private companies! Pot-kettle-black!

This is your money (if you're a tax payer) being wasted on a pointless day out. It's moreso your money if you bank with the jokers.
73

Duncan in Edinburgh,

24/04/2009 20:36:26
#69 Nonetheless the bank did not rub anyone's nose in it. They didn't publicise it, they didn't promote it. The EEN is responsible for bringing it to people's attention. You may argue that that was in the public interest, but you cannot claim the bank is "rubbing it in people's faces" in the same breath!
74

krusty the klown,

24/04/2009 20:37:37
#1 maybe a bit late, but well said and thoughtfully put Duncan
75

krusty the klown,

24/04/2009 22:51:58
I don't think yellow, low fatty cheese works when making cheese toasties.

 

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